What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Fair play to him for choosing Ireland over England.

But what is your point? Are you trying to say that black men can also be successful? Are you surprised to see a successful black man?

Why do you assume he's an anchor baby? Do you know that his parents didn't have Irish citizenship, or they wouldn't ask for it if needed?

All of it is really irrelevant as very few people want a multicultural football team over a high trust and highly functioning society.

I'll put my life on it that no one in the "far right" cared. You really think some lads were sitting around going "oh no a black lad scored for us"? 😂

That's the thing, no one cares. Even the Justin Barrett's of the world likely didn't care because at the end of the day it's all of little to no importance. I happened to see the goal live, and I didn't even think about it, yet the "pros" on here are salivating over it. That's the problem with them, they think the other side has the reverse mindset; they get ecstatic over a non white scoring, so they think that the "far right" are sitting around seething over it. Yet in reality they're the only ones with a bizarre obsession with skin color, which is something that they once accused their rivals of.

But.... this time Ireland standing alone in the world, will be different. Of course when pushed for answers for how, we get nada, or deflection, or empty solutions of "education". Promises and solutions that haven't worked elsewhere.

Promises and solutions that haven’t worked elsewhere because Governments appeared determined not to make them work. They were fine with immigrants to fill labour shortages, and didn’t really care about integration as long as their economies were kept ticking over. When their economies aren’t ticking over, people look for people to blame, and immigrants are always an easy target.

Ireland can’t help but be different, because we don’t have anything like the history of immigrants that other countries do. We still don’t have a large immigrant population, and attempts to import the politics of other countries has failed miserably - Ireland just doesn’t do political extremism like is seen in other countries. Extremism of any flavour just has never been popular with Irish people. We have an international reputation as a nation of charitable, pacifist humanitarians. We punch well above our weight on all three counts for a nation of our size. That’s what makes us different from other nations.

It’s easy to dismiss the idea of charity or humanitarianism out of hand, but that doesn’t invalidate the argument -

https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/travel/arid-40318733.html

I wouldn’t take much heed of what appeared to be Sweden’s ‘about turn’ on immigration either tbh. The recent ‘warning’ aimed in Ireland’s direction was nothing more than political posturing of one Swedish MEP who is in favour the EU building a wall on it’s border with Turkey while his own party back home at the same time are struggling to save their political skin by making deals with Kurdish politicians and introducing more lenient policies to regularise illegal immigrants -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Weimers

https://www.ft.com/content/468b2fe4-370f-4ff4-b9c6-33bf5fa90dfa

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/sweden-19367-residence-permits-were-issued-in-april-representing-over-a-quarter-of-permits-granted-so-far-in-2022/

Similar story in the Germany, the Prime Minister in Sweden is lamenting her own countries failure to integrate immigrants in the same way Merkel did after her country failed to integrate immigrants. That lamentation came late in the day for Merkel, and wasn’t enough to save her political skin. New kids on the block came in and immediately promised to make good on their mandate of reforming immigration policies -

• Immigrants able to apply for citizenship after five years and allowed dual citizenship, a potential big change for thousands of ethnic Turks, many of whom remain foreign nationals after decades in Germany

https://amp.dw.com/en/germanys-spd-fdp-and-greens-unveil-governing-coalition-deal/a-59915201

https://wap.business-standard.com/article-amp/international/immigrants-could-solve-germany-s-birth-rate-crisis-121051000411_1.html

Meanwhile in Ireland, I still have my doubts that we’ll see Sinn Fein in Government after the next General Election, and the current shower knowing which way the political winds are blowing, are doing everything they can to hold them off and keep them out of Government, even going so far as to abandon their traditional political positions and ape leftist rhetoric - in essence we’re getting a preview of what the country would be like under a Sinn Fein government - all fur coat and no knickers, but that’s what appeals to the younger voting demographic, so you get this sort of thing going on among politicians -

There aren’t any that work, for the plain and simple fact that tribalism is part of human nature and social groupings are the fundamental building blocks upon which any society is based. There are always going to be inner and outer groups, with those in power deciding who’s in, and who’s staying out on the fringes of society. It’s true that Sweden weren’t up there with countries ruled by a Monarchy in terms of the lands and resources they claimed for their rulers, but they were none too shabby either -

https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Swedish_colonial_empire

I define large by the idea that of the number of non-Irish nationals, immigrants, illegals, whatever, is greater than 1/8th of the population of Ireland as a whole -

The reports shows there were 645,500 non-Irish nationals living here last April, accounting for one in eight (12.9%) of the total population, the population of Dublin was estimated to be 1.43m, representing 28.5% of the total population, and there were 742,300 people aged 65 and over, an increase of 112,500, or just under 18%, since April 2016.

I’m not surprised the figures are higher in Dublin, it represents 1/4 of the population of Ireland as a whole. By my math at least, 1/4 is greater than 1/8.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40370168.html

The idea of Ireland having an international reputation as being a nation of charitable, humanitarian pacifists and being 3rd in the world punching well above our weight relative to our size, doesn’t lose it’s impact even when you’re comparing it to America which does not have an international reputation of being charitable, humanitarian pacifists. Their international reputation is the complete opposite of ours, it’s why they are scornful of their neighbours to the north who are a multicultural nation, just without the 2nd amendment. Instead they have the Canadian Multiculturalism Act since the 70’s. That’s not to say Canada is by any means a multicultural Utopia, it’s not, but it’s a lot more comparable to Irish society than the US.

http://news.unm.edu/news/what-we-can-learn-from-canadas-multiculturalism-policy

The “them vs us” factor based upon race wasn’t the only factor in terms of outcome of that referendum. Having two issues on the one day also helped increase voter turnout, the other issue being voted on is the one that’s always ignored, which lends credence to the talking heads idea that we’re a nation of racists - Irish people also voted in favour of extending the right to vote in local elections to asylum seekers and refugees! The Government favoured the passing of the referendum, well, they would, but it also ignores the fact that even when on the same day they held local and European elections, only two-thirds of the electorate turned out to vote, and of course in spite of the referendum being passed by a large majority, it did nothing to curb the numbers of asylum seekers and refugees seeking refuge in Ireland -

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/IRL/ireland/refugee-statistics

Yeah, that might fly if those working in our health services were underqualified, on social welfare, or illegals. Nobody on this thread has been against legal and controlled migration. And as you point out the main reason for the need to import labour is because of bad management of our health service going back decades.

Oh it flies alright, we weren’t referring to anyone on this thread, the point was being made about the posters relatives who were able to determine that their neighbours accommodation is being paid for. From their relatives account we can determine two things - either they’re very friendly with their neighbours that their neighbours divulged such personal information about their circumstances, or - their relatives are making determinations about their neighbours off their own backs based upon the idea of their neighbours being blow-ins to the area and they don’t care much for their legal status and what they actually do or don’t do for a living.

The latter is far more likely than the former, but either way, getting all bent out of shape about their neighbours business isn’t going to have any positive impact on their circumstances, they’d still be in the same circumstances if their neighbours were Irish citizens.

Is Ireland one of the only countries in the world where there are no racists or far right?