What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

That isn’t solving any problems. It just means you’ll find another group of people to blame for the problems which still exist.

Of course you’re playing the victim in trying to suggest that it’s because of foreigners that Irish people are experiencing the issues they do, when in reality it is because of Irish people, that Irish people are experiencing the issues they do. That’s why your narrative just doesn’t work.

The 70% figure doesn’t mean much if the amount of people is just ‘a line’ of people - if there were 10 people queuing I still don’t know how you’d be able to determine their legal status, but I’m guessing you mean a lot more than 10 people anyway seeing as you were looking at a picture which was no doubt taken with the aim of highlighting the facts that properties for rent are in high demand in the capital city which is home to a quarter of the population of Ireland, one of the most expensive cities in the world, and people tend to want to be around their own people.

There isn’t just a need to build more houses, that’s not going to do anything to address the fact that there are plenty of existing properties owned by local councils who don’t want to spend the money they are allocated every year out of public funds to provide for housing and accommodation, and councils have been taken to task over the fact that they’re not spending their allocated housing budget, but that’s, y’know, been going on a long time -

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/councils-failing-to-spend-millions-allocated-for-social-housing-units-25985271.html

https://www.thejournal.ie/tough-start-pt-5b-traveller-housing-funding-5580319-Oct2021/

https://www.housing.eolasmagazine.ie/irish-local-authority-housing-inadequate-says-council-of-europe/

So much for “looking after our own”, eh? It’s not that Government and local authorities can’t provide housing, it’s that they won’t, because that would tear the arse out of the property market which Government are reluctant to do because they ARE looking after their own… just, not you.

I know exactly why they exist - it’s because some people want to pretend that we only have a 20 litre drum and there’s potentially 200,000 litres of oil coming across the water that won’t mix!

Or… something like that.

It’s a piss poor analogy of our economy.

But when they can't find a party that they would like to support, as is the case here in Ireland presently, what then? And that's one reason why a lot of people here can't be bothered to vote. Its an international embarrassment for any Govt that cannot provide enough motivation to get people out to vote in an election. Its a damming indication of a lack of confidence in the existing political party's, and their policy's. So yes, a spoiled vote does have value... but only when it 's spoiled.

Ok the reference to the warning by the Swedish MEP went over your head. My fault, I should have been more explicit in pointing out his scaremongering nonsense:

Your idea is that we need to address what you see as problems which everyone should be concerned about. Your way to address these problems suggests that we divide people along lines which suit you - anyone outside of ‘our’ inner circle, can feck off for themselves, not ‘our’ responsibility.

Problem with your proposal is that people who aren’t you have different ideas for the future of Irish society, and they aren’t likely to be convinced by your attempting to convince anyone that we all only have finite resources and we can’t just be sharing them with anyone, yet at the same time expecting that anyone should share their resources with you and yours, based upon the idea that we’re Irish, they’re not, and so nobody should want to share resources with them.

You can probably see why that doesn’t work.

Yes, yes we should be letting people into the country at the moment who come here in need of benefits, housing, healthcare, education and anything else they need, who have no skills and no means of fending for themselves, because that’s the only way they will develop the skills to fend for themselves, because that’s how immigrants are integrated properly into Irish society.

They’re not integrated into Irish society by allowing them to come in while we have a labour shortage, seven or eight of them holed up in a grotty bedsit and no interaction with the outside world, keeping themselves to themselves, being exploited for their labour, being shunned out of civilised society, and then told to piss off back home to their own countries when they’re finally discovered as being here illegally.

It’s not that I don’t have a mind of my own, it’s just that we’re obviously not thinking along the same neatly delineated lines at all, and even now when you mention that you specifically aren’t talking about Ukrainians - you’re not, but plenty of people are, and that’s what I meant earlier when I said people will just find another group to blame for the ongoing issues that will continue to be ongoing issues in Irish society.

There is nothing that prohibits all of us as a society from addressing these issues and including everyone in the solution, rather than excluding people and making sure that they are never in a position to contribute positively to Irish society. That’s the system we have in place already, and the difficulties currently being experienced by your neighbours today weren’t caused by immigrants yesterday, they are caused by Irish people going back decades, and they won’t be fixed by pretending we can just close our borders to people who come here looking for help. That’s an incredibly naïve proposition from someone who is telling me I need to wake up.

Kind of a smart answer " form your own party", if it were that easy, there would be 100's of party's around. Yeah.....but that does not change the situation that there are many thousands of Irish people who feel that there is no political party presently that truly represents them. And at some point in time, that perception will manifest itself, one way or another.

You forget the large numbers coming now are unskilled and many don't speak English . They will add to the waiting lists for medical care .

The HSE is now flying in wounded Ukrainian soldiers from the war .

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40893779.html

I’m not forgetting the large numbers coming now who are unskilled and don’t speak English. I’m well aware of them.

Your links a bit random but what do you think of it yourself? I’m with Cathal Berry on this one, Mattie McGrath can go shyte tbh 😒

The transfers were coordinated by the European Union with the Health Service Executive and the National Ambulance Service, under the auspices of the European Disaster Relief Project. 

“While we have to act in a humanitarian way, this is clearly taking sides in the war,” said Independent TD Mattie McGrath, who accused the government of “pushing and pushing and pushing” at Ireland’s neutrality.

“This is a step too far.” 

However, Independent TD and former soldier Cathal Berry welcomed the move.

“Thousands of Irish citizens travel abroad for medical treatment every year under the EU Cross Border Directive," he said.

"Also, dozens of Irish doctors have trained in medical schools in Ukraine in recent years and are now working in the HSE. 

"Our Air Corps are already flying premature and critically ill Ukrainian babies to Ireland where we have some spare neo-natal intensive care capacity. 

"It’s only right and proper that we look after wounded people - whether soldier or civilian - from Putin’s unprovoked, brutal and completely unnecessary war in Ukraine.”

I guess that’s the ‘our people’ rhetoric well and truly gone out the window then 😬

How many of those criticising the multicultural aspect of us are not cheering on the Boys in Green? Ya gotta be consistent in your anti immigration stance those of you who think like that..