Bausch and Lomb

im sorry to breakk it to you, but this bigger picture stuff is exactly what the problem is, this approach is now starting to collapse, the cost of living is spiraling out of control, and nobody really seems to know what to do about it, and most, if not all of our major institutions are starting to default to what the only know, this is only further compounding the issues, i.e. they dont know what to do....

its important to realise, entities such as the lrc werent exactly created to resolve the grievances of the labour force, but ultimately to protect the the needs of employers, in particularly larger businesses and corporations, as these businesses effectively write public policies, i.e. their needs are always far superior than everyone's else needs in the process, particularly the labour force...

nobody seems to know what enough is because nobody knows exactly whats going to happen in regards the cost of living, its simply out of control, and we have no real methods of dealing with it, not quickly anyway.....

...but the only problem is, current inflation has occurred primarily due to supply and energy shocks, i.e. virtually nothing to do with the money supply, central banks actually need to rapid increase the public money supply, in order to maintain some sort of economic activities, but they re not truly doing this enough. increasing rates is just going to make it more difficult to service debts, baring in mind, most money/debt in circulation has been created in the private domain, i.e. credit markets, i.e. most people wont give a sh1t about our public debts, as they ll be panicking too much about how they re gonna service their mortgages!

increasing rates to previous generation levels would clearly cause catastrophic economic collapses, i.e. it aint gonna be happening!

...im actually not, the primary reason for its introduction was to (re)inflate asset markets such as property, and it worked, only thing is, very little, if any of this money truly made it into the actual economy, just remaining in financial markets. again, the rapid increase in the public money supply in the form of qe, effectively didnt cause the inflation in the first place, significant disruption to supply chains due to covid, and now the war in relation to energy markets, have played a far greater role....

...and we cannot afford not to spend our way out of it, we cant all tighten our belts at the same time, doing so, will clearly worsen the situation, causing many businesses to go bust, and a rise in unemployment, how the hell is that gonna resolve the current situation!

id argue its a no ones market, we re all in deep sh1t, both employees and employers.....

Depends on whether you think high inflation is better than higher (normal) interest rates…..

That’s the thing,shift work is bad for peoples health theres been many studies stating this a quick google search will give you all the info ,weather its 8 or 12hr shifts it impacts your whole life ,your mental health is affected your physical health your diet ,family and social life are all impacted by shift work.

Why do you care so much about b&l and what they are earning?,every time theres a thread down through the years about the factory you always show up ,are you a member of management or hr i wonder.

I’m not getting into a debate with a member of management on social media nice try tho ,you wont get any info from b&l workers on here best of luck with it ill leave you be.

I presume the 1k a week isn't base pay?

Either way having to do shift work can take it's toll on the body especially night shift or 12 hour shifts.

Thankfully I don't do shifts anymore but personally for me no money is worth the rotation of days and nights, it completely goes against the natural body clock.

I think it's also unfair to use the argument, "if your son or daughter were offered 1k", I would presume a lot of B&L employees are employed 10, 20 years plus

Nope its not base pay, is there an employer out there offering general operators 20 euro an hour before shift premium?

What's not fair about the question? Why would anyone talk their children out of taking a job that pays 1k a week just because its shift. You would be doing well to get 1000 euro a week anywhere straight out of school with no qualifications.

Not sure what their years service has to do with it, in contrast there's probably a lot of temps in there that were probably looking forward to secure employment after moving from the hospitality sector.

Sure you can't have any life on two of the three shifts either and you only get two days off in between, four shifts you get four days off. Shift work is tough, no one is denying that.

Do the bank Holidays get paid extra?

Seems to be Pay/Life balance and not Work/Life balance.

Still haven't seen any valid reasons why someone would refuse a 10.8% pay increase and move for industrial action without stating what they want instead of the 10.8% increase.

a 10% increase over 3 years woopdeedoo inflation is off the charts ......

I was referencing the service as I am not aware how it works in B&L, based on your point straight in off the street you get the same salary as someone with 20 plus years service.

If you are straight in the door then that is a nice take home package. Perhaps a structure could be or could have been in place, x years service means you get x% rise.

I'd imagine with inflation 10% over 3 years is a worry, I have heard of cuts during the recession years, has all that been reimbursed? If not that it would have be a 10% increase, just a question?

Thats if inflation does increase at your forecasted rate. Also there will be pay negotiations in three years time, probably for another 6% and probably back pay for a time when inflation was not this high. Its swings and round abouts. Im still of the opinion its a decent bump that doesn't warrant this level of action.

I agree, it's a shame and casts a shadow over both parties in fairness.

What does that mean? You will have to elaborate if you want to engage proper discussion unless your just trying to bait people?

Interesting, now all they have to do is accept it. Wonder if its close to what they actually want.