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Time for a second airport in Dublin?

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    #32
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150618#Comment_119150618

    Jaysus, where would the demand for that come from? There isn't any population centre in the midlands.

    Having two airports in Dublin would be mad. Imagine getting a flight from, say, Manchester or Kerry then having to cross the city to get onto a flight to the US? How does that benefit anyone?

    Belfast has two crap airports instead of one decent one. This means less choice, higher fares, and a lot of passengers from NI flying out of Dublin.

    Baldonnel is not suitable for use as an airport. The site is too small, the runways too narrow and short to be any use. The Wicklow mountains get in the way of possible flight paths, it's too close to heavily populated areas (noise) and its flight paths conflict with those of Dublin Airport. It only continues to exist because it's so little used the noise and flight paths aren't a real issue.

    Ireland has too many airports. None of Cork, Shannon, Knock are really viable. Sligo, Kerry, Donegal are a joke only kept going by the taxpayer. Waterford lost all of its routes and airlines aren't interested in going back, the motorway to Dublin has killed it. Galway airport is gone for good. If they built a motorway between Limerick and Cork - which is needed anyway - then Cork could be closed (that'll go down well 😉)

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #33
    AMKC
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157991#Comment_119157991

    Jaysus, where would the demand for that come from? There isn't any population centre in the midlands.


    From all around.

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    #34
    guyfo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119158823#Comment_119158823

    Right, where would the infrastructure come from to get people from "all around" to an airport in the Midlands when "all roads lead to Dublin"?

    Given the points about Baldonnell then the best option would be to increase the capacity of Dublin, or just have the government take over T2 and subsidise it so more flights actually go through that White elephant.



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    #35
    CPTM
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    I'd much rather they spend the money it would cost on proper infrastructure to help us get efficiently to the existing one.



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    #36
    FionnK86
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    typo!

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    #37
    bad2thebone
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    Shannon Airport is the best place in the country for flying in and out. It was the gateway to the west of Ireland and the Shannon region. During the 70's 80's until the mid 90's it was buzzing with culture. Sadly no more they stopped all that so people would have to bus their way back west from Dublin to visit the west of Ireland or rent car's in Dublin and drive across the country.

    Now there's more hares in the grass lands and swamps than people flying in and out.

    Ah yes says nut brown hair to his leveret, in your great great+ grandfather's time it was different and there was one called the Concorde supposedly it was like a huge swan landing in. Their only aul stories, legends they are.

    As they nibble away at the weeds.. and tumble weed rolls across the tarmac. ...



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    #38
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Sure it was a Space Shuttle emergency landing site once upon a time. Foynes was a big deal once upon a time, too. Things change and technology changes and time moves on. The Shannon stopover was a disastrous policy which damaged the economy of the entire country.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #39
    sprucemoose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150584#Comment_119150584

    sorry but thats simply not true, most people want to fly from the airport that is closest to them but ridiculous mismanagement and exorbitant fees mean its easier for the average person who is going on holiday to fly from dublin and absorb the time cost for some financial savings.

    we cant keep centralising our sevices solely in dublin

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119157991#Comment_119157991

    at the very least, cork and possibly shannon are most definitely viable they just have been/are being mismanaged completely by the DAA.

    and ya close cork airport when the motorway is completed, keep the airport in (near) the city with a population around a third of the other, one that happens to be the second city in the republic, makes sense.......



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    #40
    Hotblack Desiato
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    DAA has nothing to do with Shannon. The reason Cork is still run by the DAA is that they (Cork) want Dublin passengers to pay for the fancy underused terminal they got in Cork a few years back 😉

    The era of thinking government policy can force airlines and passengers to fly specific airports and routes is long gone and not coming back.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #41
    Strumms
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119202382#Comment_119202382

    Has to be the most corrupt wánkbag decision made in the history of the state… would have cost airlines millions over decades…and in turn the Irish taxpayers….over the years the extra wheel changes, brake units to be replaced, and other assorted maintenance as a result of an extra un required landing and takeoff per leg, extra fuel costs…. Nutsville… all for a few votes down that way… Aer Lingus, Delta, American Airlines, American Transair and a few more besides held up by Dick Turpinesque politicians… that the rest of the taxpayers pay for the privilege … “you’ll land here, 15-20 people might get on, you’ll pay for another xx tonnes of fuel and off ya go, thank you !”

    at least the likelihood is a second airport in Dublin will be needed in the next x years.



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    #42
    ted1
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119202543#Comment_119202543

    We centralise our services where the population is and where they are needed.



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    #43
    sprucemoose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119203064#Comment_119203064

    we go overboard compared to other countries though

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119202905#Comment_119202905

    i know theyre gone from shannon for the last 10 years but the damage was done by then apparently. ive less experience of shannon though so i cant speak too much to that.

    cork airport is underused because the DAA set the landing fees ridiculously high to encourage more traffic to dublin. if ryanir had been allowed to take over the old terminal the airport would be booming but that would draw business away from dublin and we couldnt be having that could we



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    #44
    Ash.J.Williams
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119150618#Comment_119150618

    they discovered it would be served by rail and road, and decided that's a silly idea



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    #45
    tinytobe
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    I think they should rather expand Dublin and other existing Irish airports than considering a completely new airport in Dublin.

    There are 3 runways in Dublin, and massive space to expand, if need be, for another big terminal, in the western part of the airport.

    Besides Baldonnel there is a small airfield called Weston Airport, near Leixlip.

    I think Dublin airport was once an RAF military airport before 1921 or so?



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    #46
    WishUWereHere
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119165344#Comment_119165344

    Since when is T2 a white elephant?



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    #47
    Subzero3
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    Instead of an airport you will Just get more tolls



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    #48
    Joe Itchy Squad
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119152316#Comment_119152316

    When I was about 12 I used to be planning an airport on Bull Island. Just a few minor issues like ornithology, people of Sutton objecting to low approaches, the latter conflicting with air traffic approaching westerly south runway, also low approach over dock lands, but sure use a BAE146 and she’ll dodge the ESB towers in good weather. The golfers won’t object too much, Joe Duffy on Clontarf seafront wouldn’t bat an eyelid, nor would the people enjoying the wired off recreation of Dollymount beach. Otherwise it would be a great landing space for a STOL airport close to city centre, could be known as “Joe Duffy Dublin City Airport”



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    #49
    Joe Itchy Squad
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119203349#Comment_119203349
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    The plan went something like this. I think the ESB chimeleys could get knocked to clear a safe approach.



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    #50
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119203158#Comment_119203158

    An airport at Weston is an even crazier idea than Baldonnel.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #51
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119203121#Comment_119203121

    DAA wanted to increase Dublin landing fees but CAR forced a reduction on them instead.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #52
    tinytobe
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204600#Comment_119204600

    The airport at Weston is already there. It's one landing strip, and I think it's mainly used for general aviation, private planes, etc... Yes, it's a small one, but it's still an airport,

    As far as I know there is neither a need for a 2nd airport the likes we have in the North of Dublin, nor are there any plans. There might be need to expand the existing airport in the next 10 to 20 years.



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