FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

Funny you using that idiom (incorrectly), with all the things you can't see when they are pointed out and explained to you. Or is that refusal?

But also to note, back to that nonsense HDI. The statistic itself is meaningless, being used as some sort of trophy by FFG.

Funny how it goes unmentioned that the European countries that Ireland leap frogged are all having refugee problems. Two of them having warned Ireland about what may happen, but it went largely ignored.

Finland was 2nd in the 2014 report and find themselves down to 11th in the 2019 (2020) report. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016885101830681X

Germany (now 6th) and Sweden (now 7th) were joint 3rd - I don't think that they need explaining.

Netherlands were joint 1st with Norway (now joint 8th with Australia) - https://borgenproject.org/facts-about-refugees-in-the-netherlands/

Australia (not in Europe) was joint 2nd (now joint 8th)

Ireland were 7th.

So it is very very likely, that whoever is in government when your beloved HDI report next comes out, that Ireland will have dropped or plummeted down the chart after we have finished taking in the all of the Refugees our infrastructure can't handle.

EDITED - to add current positions.

There's not been any talk of "Closure Actually " there's, been hints, leaks, incoherence, dilly dallying by the HSE about downgrading . HSE finallly plucked up the courage to announce their intentions yesterday, the usual senior heads sent out to bat.

Within minutes, Minister Donnelly and local politicians out , seething with anger. We then hear again how irrelevant the HSE and DOH think Donnelly is , by confirmation he'd not been informed of the decision nor had government signed off on it . (Where have we heard this before 🤔🤔)

So what I'd actually like is for Minister Donnelly to ask of himself, is it finallly time to Go 🤔

"Ministers left Furious" 😳 , "Ministers left Embarrassed " should be the headline "

I was scoffed at when I said this would go as high as €3 billion at the time government estimated it would be €1.2 Billion, it would seem the kicking the can down the road hasn't gone quite to plan ( or has it 🤔 😉)

My question now , how long is it actually going to take , with contractors walking away from contracts, Supplies , Materials prices rises daily, shortage of construction workers , I'd wager some owners won't see a new block laid for years ( I could be cynical and suggest, this is actually what government are hoping for )

Yep , he's someone I don't particularly like if I'm being totally honest but my word he hit the nail on the head , Government Seething this morning and there's not a thing they can do, they've quite enough on their plate in terms of trouble without going up against a very popular president 😏

I agree completely, wait for the "He over stepped the mark, constitutional crisis palaver" from the usual suspects.

Good I say, about time some one spoke truth

Government can huff and Puff all they like , they should be utterly ashamed of themselves, not just on this crisis, but many more , they'd be very wise, to put up, shut up and get their act together, albeit, I suspect its far to late .

...i actually feel some what sorry for our politicians, and all those that you mentioned, i do believe most are actually very genuine people, actually do want to resolve these issues, and truly believe their beliefs and ideologies can and will do it, but its clearly obvious, they wont, period, in fact theyre making it far worse, and have in fact caused our current situation! its very messy stuff, with no real easy solutions, but at least there are potential solutions out there, but....

Honestly, I did have sympathy at one time, actually emailed Leo to congratulate him early on in the handling of the Pandemic, MM dies seem to be Genuine with an ability to show Empathy, Never liked nor respected Coveney if I'm being honest.

But something happened, I can't explain it, they briefly showed solidarity with the people but my god, especially Leo just lost any sense of reality , MM seriously just seems to be counting down the clock and Coveney (well I'll be charitable as its early) , Eamonn Ryan, again seems the decent type but so out of his depth , it's actually alarming.

...again, this is a myth, we dont all have the same opportunities in life, and this accelerates in an environment of rapidly rising wealth inequality, as we re currently experiencing..

completely agree, ryans comment is just disturbing at this stage, our political class have virtually completely disconnected from the average person, if you think the average person on the average wage, or even more, can simply just rock up to the welfare office and..... now thats truly disturbing stuff! baring in mind, we re currently in off peak energy season, and we can all see whats gonna happen during peak, im pretty sure the average child can also see this to!

...but the reality is, its not just the most vulnerable now, this is accelerating well into the middle classes, this is really serious stuff now!

You are of course 100% correct.

I've been reasonably fortunate in life, had a long career, bought a house, travelled the world working etc.

I saw something quite eye opening during the pandemic across boards, particularly every day, ordinary decent, hard working people suffer, lost of Job, Isolation, medical challenges (I have my own) reach out for the first time in their lives.

My small contribution was learning a little about what supports are out there for people, especially SW supports and understanding the complexites around what is available, how to get info. I'm no expert, but took the time to show a little compassion and assist were I could, other more experienced users also helped and I learned from them, many people looking for advice and support for the first time in their lives and as you say, not just the vulnerable.

I reckon at one stage I was getting 50 pm"s a week and all from people I don't know and will likely never meet. At the same time, some quite astonishing vitriol across numerous threads which thankfully the majority called out.

There's now a legacy issue from the pandemic (Government did a reasonable job) but add the cost of living, housing and health care crisis, they seriously need to look at their priorities.

I'm not blaming government solely for the current crisis, but I do fear they've not got real grasp of how bad things are for many, many, many people.

unless and until people like you have a creible alternative to put to those FF/FG canvassers, as in "I'm going to vote for Renua/Libertas/whoever; they will cut my taxes" I don't believe they will take you seriously.

I'd agree that may well be the party attitude - however looking at actual election results and polls its a huge error. For FG in particular chasing people who will never vote for the party, trying to out left the left, out woke the woke isn't working and is simply alienating what should be the core of its vote. I'm an ex member of the party yet simply can't countenance voting for FG. There is a crazy lack of alternative but to repeat myself: I cross off parties that have behaved abhorrently in government before I cross off those I think (in some cases know) will

To reiterate I'll simply be stating why i won't be voting for FF/FG and will say I'm not interested in hearing the "but SF" defence.

IMO they will go away from your doorstep still thinking to themselves "When push comes to shove in the ballot box he's still going to tick FF or FG as (from his POV) the least bad of a terrible lot. Or he won't vote, which we can live with."

Again I'd say that is the attitude, but per the above - huge mistake IMO. I see it all the time. Politicians themselves, supporters on here, even work colleagues who wouldn't be supporters of any party - some form of "but SF", yeah we're sh!t but the alternative etc etc. Even work colleagues once remarked to me after criticism of the government - "Flip - never had you flagged as a shinner". Its nonsensical but one of the many reasons FG in particular is so low in the polls

Apologies, Grim views on a specific cohorts, generally the marginalised, vulnerable, ill, struggling, I should have been more specific, I do apologise, your posts are available for all to see as to is your alarming views generally.

Please accept my sincerest apologies for not being clearer.

...of course theyre furious, acceptance of party failure is unacceptable at party level