Dublin Pride ends media partnership with RTE over Liveline's Gender Identity discussion

The problem is that you get a small minority of people who have the genuinely old fashioned views against LGBTQ stuff.

Well, that’s one way of framing it.

These people have no lives, typically older men in their 40s/50s with no kids and no families of their own so they are prime candidates for becoming immersed in all kinds of weird stuff online including conspiracies and believing RTE workers are using some chemicals extracted from children in order to maintain their youth. It's the very same weirdos who go online and attack the LGTBQ community. If we imagine that these people were hardline racists in the old fashion sense, which they are by the way, they are not allowed to spout their racist views in public or on the radio. They can dress it up as they usually do with the dogwhistle of "im only talking about culture and not race" but this is just something they learned from the likes of Steven Crowder as a way to slip in racism and feel like they have outsmarted people by talking about culture instead. I'm assuming it was some of these lowlifes on the program.

Your assumption would be incorrect in that case, specifically as the discussion was off the back of proposed changes in Irish legislation regarding maternity leave in employment, and the objections are coming primarily from women, as opposed to your caricature of what you characterise as lowlifes.

Their objections refer to Heading 12 in the General Scheme of the Work Life Balance and Miscellaneous Provisions Bill 2022 -

Amendment of section 16(1) of Maternity Protection Act 1994 – reference to "woman” for the purposes of entitlement to maternity leave

Provide that

The Maternity Protection Act 1994 is amended –

(a) in section 16(1) by the replacement of “woman” with “person”.

Explanatory Note

The proposed amendment is intended to provide a transgender male who has in accordance with the Gender Recognition Act 2015, obtained a gender recognition certificate and subsequently becomes pregnant, to fall within the scope of the Maternity Protection Act 1994.

Should section 7(2) of the Maternity protection Act 1994 be deleted (see Head 11), it is possible to rely on Section 4(1), 18(b)(ii) and section 6 of the Interpretation Act 2005 to read a reference to “her” in the 1994 Act as gender neutral or to include a transgender male/male pregnant employee.

However the reference to “woman” in section 16(1) of the 1994 Act could be interpreted as excluding the application of s.18(b)(ii) of the Interpretation Act 2005. For the avoidance of doubt, “woman” is being substituted for a gender neutral term, such as “person”.

https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/221774/b7943e63-e1a6-43f6-9957-0eec3d7f0d47.pdf#page=null

Their objections are based upon the idea that the wording is an attempt to erase women from legislation, and thereby undermine women and women’s rights. Ironically enough, they too, like yourself, are claiming that it’s typically being promoted by grown men with old fashioned ideas about women, immersed in all kinds of weird stuff online 🤔

It basically amounts to a competition to see who’s the best at playing the victim, sort of a race to the bottom kinda thing. It looks like RTE have cottoned onto the fact that there’s revenue to be gained from facilitating these people, so the fact that Dublin Pride have severed their media relationship with RTE might well be a kick in the stones, or… it might not -

Dublin Pride said it expects a response on how RTÉ will make "amends for this situation".

RTÉ has yet to comment on the announcement.

So far it looks as though RTE doesn’t give a single fcuk.

Wtf are you on about - children do not have surgery

Not sure these are great definitions

Winston Churchill opined that an appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile in the hope it eats him last.

It seems the crocodile has finally gotten around to eating RTE.

So, can RTE just respond and say that they regret Dublin Pride's thoughts, but that as national broadcasters they won't be stopped from facilitating these types of debates?

Just leave it at that.

It's great to hear the issues debated on national radio. I have a young person going through a gender crisis, mainly brought on by YouTube and friends. It's horrible walking on eggshells because you could be labeled transphobia at any moment, well when it suits them. Calling them by their birth name is met with a barrage of abuse, well except when the weekly Chinese arrives then it's nothing, but to do a chore around the house it's a melt down. Call by their chosen female name and it doesn't register with them.

Yet we will support them on their journey no matter where it takes them. Although we will not provide any financial help until there is at least 12 months of psychology.

The absurdity of some members of the trans community is laughable at this stage, You can support the person and call out the ridiculous nature of some members of the movement

I'm listening to this now on catch up and a lecturer called Collette is thanking Joe for facilitating this debate, as its so important. She says that often even having a debate on trans issues can be viewed as transphobic, and the debate gets shut down.

Joe asked "who's trying to shut down this debate? “. Well he got his answer now.

Only bit I don’t understand is what it feels like to be a man. I’m a man yet I don’t know what it feels like. If someone asked me to define what it feels like, I wouldn’t have a clue. Are there certain thoughts or feelings that define gender? Genuine question.

The rest I don’t try to understand, without experiencing it I can’t so as long as someone’s happy not a **** could I give.

I saw this on another forum: "religion was once bad enough, but it's now LGBTQ" - the context being that there was a time when you couldn't say anything bad about religion. You were a dirty sinner etc. There was something wrong with you etc. Now if you say anything in the slightest against LGBTQ you are instantly labelled as a horrible person and homophobic.

Weird world we live in. Then again, the more things change the more they stay the same.

Transwomen don't even have to use chemicals/hormones etc. They don't even have to appear like a woman on the outside. Our laws say they only have to identify as trans to change their gender and hey presto, they are now a different gender.

What would have been fun would have been if Donald Trump had announced that he was transgender when he was the US president. The trans movement would have had to accept Donald Trump as the first female president of the US. 😁 Well, according to the rules, all one has to do is identify as trans and you are trans.