I think justice was served here.

Burkie1203 · 15-06-2022 8:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204914#Comment_119204914

I'm open to correction here but a court determined he was a flight risk because flights to Brazil were booked in the immediate aftermath of the incident were a 16 year old kid was killed at his hands.

He had a case to answer. If he got on that flight he was gone for good. Then you would be complaining about the justice system allowing him to leave etc.

15-06-2022 8:56am

Fair play to the Brazilian guy. This country is far too lenient towards feral and criminal scum. I have yet to visit Dublin once in the past 10 years and not be subjected to an unwanted interaction with some tracksuit wearing brute. If it were allowed, I would keep a gun or two in my home for self-defense purposes and have no qualms whatever about using it on any intruder. I think it is wrong for the state to try to monopolize violence when it cannot protect citizens in the moment when they are attacked.

walshb · 15-06-2022 9:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204744#Comment_119204744

You may agree of disagree with the verdict, but the system here did not break.

The DPP/state (after considering all the facts) decided the man had a case to answer. Read up on the facts that we know about. The prosecution argued he was OTT in defending himself.

The man knew he had a knife on him, and pursued individuals with the knife on him (he had to know that there could then be aggro), and he then produced that knife to do damage. Yes, he will say self defence, but why go there and pursue knowing you have a knife on you and that you may use it.

Anyone dismissing this out of hand and slating the DPP for bringing it is way off.

asdfg87 · 15-06-2022 9:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204878#Comment_119204878

To say its fair to be in prison for 18 months and be innocent "fair" i have to disagree...

spurious · 15-06-2022 9:08am

I agree the verdict was correct. As someone who lives in the area, those gangs of young lads on bikes and scooters roaming the area were really threatening, even when it wasn't you they were targetting. I had seen them chase food delivery guys before this happened.

You would have to question all the parents who didn't give a **** that their kids were out of home at night during a lockdown doing God knows what.

asdfg87 · 15-06-2022 9:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204943#Comment_119204943

I am talking about what happened, youn are talking of what might happen. Of course there was a case to answer assault and causing harm, i expect if this was the charge it would have being prosessed quickly.

Allinall · 15-06-2022 9:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205021#Comment_119205021

Why would they only charge him with assault and causing harm- if that is even a charge?

He killed a guy with a knife. Murder was the correct charge.

Ham_Sandwich · 15-06-2022 9:16am

Disgusting and racist comments here, a young boy ends up in the wrong place at the wrong time and is stabbed to death buy a grown man and people are cheering because its technicly "self defence" sickened I am.

Dyr · 15-06-2022 9:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204977#Comment_119204977

I can't believe he had temerity to pursue a bike thief who had just stolen a bike. Surely the correct course of action is to ring the gardai and be told that there's nothing they can do

The jury said self defence as his actions were justifiable. The DPP pursued the case as there's nothing that scares them more than someone "talking the law into their own hands" rather than accepting that they should just be good little victims

Burkie1203 · 15-06-2022 9:20am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205021#Comment_119205021

"What might happen "

Flights to Brazil were booked in the immediate aftermath of this incident. That is fact. A court determined he was a flight risk based on that fact so bail was denied. Correct course of action.

Assault and causing harm doesn't wash as a charge when there is a body in the morgue.

15-06-2022 9:21am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204996#Comment_119204996

I don’t think that it is unreasonable that a person accused of murder who is also a flight risk, should be remanded before their trial.

My opinion is that the outcome of the trial was fair.

Nermal · 15-06-2022 9:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119203599#Comment_119203599

Think of the money lavished on social programmes for the teenage gangs in the East Wall, and the opportunities available to them that they carelessly spurn. Contrast it with the drive of someone who travelled half-way round the world to work a low-wage job to advance himself.

True justice would see him well compensated for his year and a half of imprisonment. Fund it from the taxpayer donations made to Dublin 3.

Cordell · 15-06-2022 9:30am

Anyone that thinks that they know better than those 12 persons that unanimously found the man not guilty after seeing and hearing more than anyone needs a long hard look at themselves.

corner of hells · 15-06-2022 9:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205130#Comment_119205130

That's really it.

Dyr · 15-06-2022 9:45am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205053#Comment_119205053

16 is not a young boy

Being part of a gang that is assaulting a man is not the wrong place at the wrong time.

walshb · 15-06-2022 9:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205130#Comment_119205130

You can agree with the verdict and also not slate the DPP for bringing the case.

I respect the jury’s verdict.

Ush1 · 15-06-2022 9:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205215#Comment_119205215

I think there would have been huge pressure on the DPP to bring a trial for "political" reasons.

monseiur · 15-06-2022 9:55am

The Brazilian was not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter. Trouble was brewing for some time and he decided that enough was enough and took a stand and was deliberately armed for the purpose. The fact that he has already served some time in jail and is unlikely to reoffend a suspended sentence may be the correct verdict in law. I agree 100% that the court was right in setting him free. I can't but wonder what the courts verdct would be if the victim was from a different socio - economic class, say a Blackrock student.

Boggles · 15-06-2022 9:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205066#Comment_119205066

My question about compensation was genuine, because I don't actually know. There is provisions in law about excessive unlawful detention incorporated into our statute in the past 10 - 20 years from European and Human Rights rulings.

But the question remains, a person had his liberty removed from him for a rather long period of time for a crime he was found not guilty of. That is of the upmost seriousness. A persons liberty in this state is a fundamental right.

Everyone can be deemed a flight risk to be fair, I'm reminded of what appears to be a more "blatant" case recently where the same thing was suggested in denial of bail, this was won on appeal. But then again their was expertise and money to back that up. That all said I haven't found anything to suggest he was denied bail, so maybe he didn't apply for it.

The murder charge was as a flimsy as a case I have seen, the Judge should have stepped in and quashed it and put the charge of Manslaughter to the Jury.

The Jury's questions of why key witnesses were not giving evidence was very pertinent and not answered.

It was a complete mess by the prosecution, summed up by the fact that someone cycling a bike doing their job having rocks thrown at them was characterised as "low level" aggression. Room lost at that point I'd say.

Sad case, with absolutely no winners.

Ironically the accused grew up in the slums of Rio but had a very supportive family that kept him out of trouble.

There is a lesson there.

15-06-2022 9:57am

Justice has been served. Hopefully this will send a message to those who attack people who are doing their job.

For Forks Sake · 15-06-2022 10:01am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205228#Comment_119205228

The jury had the option of manslaughter and didn't find him guilty of it, so your first sentence is nonsense.

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2022/06/15/murder-charge-acquittal-on-basis-of-self-defence-rare/

15-06-2022 10:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205010#Comment_119205010

Nah you can't question parents for anything. Sure they all do their best for the angles.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205053#Comment_119205053

Racist for... Defending the brown foreigner or?...

Wrong place wrong time. Yup, he was more than 2km from home during lockdown. You're 100% correct. He then try to jump someone him and his buddies outnumbered. My dad heard the nonsense snippets in the media during the trial (Jesus they love shaping bullshit) and was thought it was awful. When he was acquitted and I mentioned there was CCTV showing what happened and the jury even acquitted him of assault then yeah, he was like "But why did they print all that?".

Anyway, some more details https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/george-bento-murder-trial-what-the-jury-didnt-hear-41753432.html

Some good quotes, his defence counsel:

Ush1 · 15-06-2022 10:13am

Just a low level scuffle is all with broken teeth and a broker nose and a robbed bike, ah boys will be boys after all...

monkeybutter · 15-06-2022 10:29am

the guy on the moped mostly likely got off scott free, right

15-06-2022 10:47am

I am delighted for him . A bunch of them stoned me a couple of years ago . Nearly lost an eye, it is still sore and I have just recently added another problem to my eye. One pupil bigger than the other , just like David Bowie.

I bet the **** out of her , a 12 old girl. I had some explaining to do to the guards, but they didn't charge me.

15-06-2022 10:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205225#Comment_119205225

What political reasons?

A person was killed, and a trial of the person accused of the killing took place. Where is the politics?

fryup · 15-06-2022 10:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204422#Comment_119204422

Surely he'll have to leave Ireland or at least Dublin after this, he may be a target for reprisals?

Dyr · 15-06-2022 11:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119204769#Comment_119204769

The DPP could have decided not to proceed but they did. Because the DPP sees self defence in an extreme situation as the public "taking the law into their own hands" or, to be more accurate, as taking the law out of their hands.

The instruments of the Irish state tend to do this, allow lawlessness to run riot and then react when ordinary people protect themselves

MakersMark · 15-06-2022 11:12am

I'm genuinely shocked that some posters think this guy somehow "got off".

He defended himself from potentially being murdered by a pack of uncontrolled animals.

I hope the bleeding hearts are never forced into such a situation.

Ush1 · 15-06-2022 11:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119205536#Comment_119205536

Political reasons like a foreign adult killing a 16 year old from what could be deemed a poor socio economic circumstance. Pressure from the family, community, local councillors etc on DPP.. Show trials often happen for political reasons, the state has to be seen to seek justice no matter the cost or likelihood of the outcome. I don't know if it was the case here but it was a relatively high profile case so could understand if the DPP felt compelled to act in some way.

Trials are expensive, people often get killed by someone else and no trial happens. Look at the burden of proof needed for the Sophie Toscan Du Plantier murder.

I think justice was served here.

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