Pride Month

15-06-2022 6:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119207997#Comment_119207997

The difference is that you're seeking to make an issue of it. I've held hands with male partners and nobody looked at us twice, except possibly for some kids. Whooptie do. Just as I've done the same with female partners, and nobody cared.

You're looking at heterosexual behaviour and seeking to make an issue of it. The gas thing is that they could both, or just one, be bisexual, and you're misjudging them.

I don't notice any of it. I see someone of any gender kissing or holding hands, it doesn't affect me in the slightest. Might think it's cute, or might even be a mite jealous, but their sexuality doesn't even register.

Liberty_Bear · 15-06-2022 6:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208004#Comment_119208004

No one is asking for attention, they are just asking to show that they are proud of who they are. If I throw a birthday party, am I annoyed at strangers not coming to my birthday party? No Im not as it has nothing to do with them, its a celebration of my life - same goes for Pride.

Liberty_Bear · 15-06-2022 6:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208020#Comment_119208020

That is the point i am making albeit tongue in cheek - what right have we to get annoyed at people doing their own thing? I dont care if people want to march down the road in a dress or a man and woman eat the face off each other. This same thread is giving pride attention yet people are claiming its all about attention. There are so many incongruencies resting in the arguments that its hilariously bad!

15-06-2022 6:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208030#Comment_119208030

I don't see what point you're trying to make.

You're complaining about "hetero-culture" being "in your face", even though society is 97% heterosexual.

Even though LGBT is a tiny percentage of the population, we are disproportionately taking up headlines and social media and so on.

donaghs · 15-06-2022 6:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119207955#Comment_119207955

I don’t think most people see it as a display of homosexuality. I think most Irish people don’t care about that. No matter how gay-friendly a country is, heterosexuality will always be more on display given the numeric differences. I think most people see it originally as part of the Gay rights movement, and later as a celebration of that history and ongoing visibility of LGB and now also T people.

Given the hysteria about Liveline, e.g. women offended/concerned about legislation changes, and then Trans activists in turn having a more important level of offence to this. ”Pride” has morphed into something else. Similar with international companies getting on the bandwagon and “encouraging” staff to participate. I know of more than one gay person who don’t appreciate being requested (on the basis of their private life) to become a public company “ambassador” (or what ever term they may use) for Pride month.

15-06-2022 7:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208030#Comment_119208030

Except when they're not just doing their own thing, but waving it in other peoples faces. This isn't the case of a straight couple kissing in a cafe. They're not pushing their behaviour on you. Whereas there are a lot of gay people out there who feel the need to push their sexuality on to others. It's a challenge, aimed to provoke a reaction.. and when they don't get that reaction, they push harder. That's the problem with pride, and many within the LGBTQ community.

If it was just LGBQ celebrating who they were, then I doubt anyone would have any issues, but there is the challenge factor at play. Which is why we see participants dressed provocatively in ways that they wouldn't dress normally. Or acting out sexual or aggressive scenes because they're aware that Pride gives some license to behave that way..

When you go to a queer friendly or gay venue, you know what to expect... it's the norm to have that provocative behaviour because it's a closed environment. Pride is not such a closed environment, and that's why people can/will criticise those involved.

Annasopra · 15-06-2022 8:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208323#Comment_119208323

That makes zero sense. What you are saying is:

Straight couple - Not waving it in other peoples faces.

Gay couple kissing - Waving it in other peoples faces.

Honestly your personal abhorrence of LBGTQ people is disturbing that you seek to stereotype them all as aggressive and provocative.

Annasopra · 15-06-2022 8:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119207989#Comment_119207989

People in this thread have issues with it.

15-06-2022 8:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208497#Comment_119208497

No, people in this thread have expressed that they are uncomfortable with public displays of affection - irrespective of whether the couple is gay or straight.

Big difference.

One eyed Jack · 15-06-2022 8:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208323#Comment_119208323

When you go to a queer friendly or gay venue, you know what to expect... it's the norm to have that provocative behaviour because it's a closed environment. Pride is not such a closed environment, and that's why people can/will criticise those involved.

You’re hardly suggesting that people don’t know what to expect at Pride? 😂

People DO know what to expect, and what’s more, people who want to criticise Pride go looking for things to be offended by, and if there isn’t anything, they’ll make something out of nothing.

It’s why they parade the most sensationalist and provocative shìt they can find on social media as if it’s actually all that Pride is about, and that’s all people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender are all about, exactly what you’re doing - perceiving anything which they find offensive as “a challenge” as though people’s intent is to be offensive.

It would be like me suggesting that the lad in the body stocking doing cartwheels at the Pride parade a few years ago was being intentionally provocative because to me there was just no hiding an erection in that costume 😂

I could do like you and assume his intent was to be provocative, but it’s far more reasonable to assume the lad was just a bit excited to be taking part in the parade 😂

There was no malice in it at all, but people who want to criticise Pride will portray an innocent moment in ways which support and confirm their already held prejudices, or play on the prejudices and fears and beliefs that they know exist in other people.

15-06-2022 8:54pm

Lads in assless chaps or lads walking around in bikinis and thongs or whatnot are always going to be a fixture. But hey, Pride. It should be held in December, that might mitigate the resulting clothing choices, somewhat. LGBT - whatever are their own worst enemies.

ancapailldorcha · 15-06-2022 8:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208493#Comment_119208493

Logically, anything anyone does is shoving something into someone's face. I've had to endure the bloated, boozy football fans roaring, drinking and trashing the area in which I live. I don't hear anyone saying football is unnecessary though.

cgcsb · 15-06-2022 8:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058250146/pride-month

You poor thing, have you a box of kleenex handy?

Annasopra · 15-06-2022 8:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208579#Comment_119208579

Exactly the point @Liberty_Bear was making. If you think heterosexuality gets flaunted and shoved in our faces every single day but noone ever objects

15-06-2022 9:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208589#Comment_119208589

If 97% of the population were LGBT and 3% were straight; yet 50% of political and social attention was on the 3%, the 97% of the LGBT population in this thought experiment would react in exactly the same way.

We've achieved equality. It's time to move on!

gmisk · 15-06-2022 9:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208576#Comment_119208576

You haven't really been to many actual prides in Dublin is my guess....it tends to be pretty tame...the people you are talking about are also a tiny percentage. I tend to wear a t shirt and jeans so do my friends...madness I know...filth! I might even have a little pride flag pin badge...the scandal of it all...you would need your smelling salts...

My main issue with Pride is it isn't much of a protest these days it's more about corporate sponsors like Sky and Tesco and is extremely sanitized, but hey as long as people have a nice day out with friends/family that is grand by me.

gameoverdude · 15-06-2022 9:03pm

Seriously is my mentality out of sync? I'm mid 40,so and it's pretty much what the fonz would do. Be cool!

Annasopra · 15-06-2022 9:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208576#Comment_119208576

We'll just make burkinis mandatory for all beach goers too 🤣

15-06-2022 9:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208618#Comment_119208618

I've been to a bunch, thanks very much. I'll bookmark this and stick up some photos of the next one. I'd expect it'll take about 10 mins and not a lot of photos to validate my point.

Joking - obviously. But it's not a family friendly event.

15-06-2022 9:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208509#Comment_119208509

In fairness, @[Deleted User] pretty clearly thinks it's different when a person is gay...

Hamachi · 15-06-2022 9:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208635#Comment_119208635

That’s not very nice poking fun at the dress codes of the Islamic community, is it? One marginalized minority leveraging another to crudely make a point.

Perhaps you would benefit from some sensitivity training?

gmisk · 15-06-2022 9:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208610#Comment_119208610

We haven't achieved equality when LGBT people are still regularly attacked verbally or physically for who they are.

When Trans people are being unfairly targeted by organised (and well funded) groups.

That is not equality.

Don't forget it is still illegal to be gay in I think approx 70 countries round the world etc. Ireland has come a long way in a short time but it isn't some utopia for LGBT people by any means.

15-06-2022 9:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208699#Comment_119208699

Not really, but I do understand the nuanced point he's trying to make.

I can only speak from personal experience. That's a problem, because it's not objective. But my personal experience tells me that there's a certain stratum of the LGBT population who, for whatever reason, feel the need to reinforce their identity onto others. In fact, I was guilty of this myself, especially in the earlier years from when I came out. I knew exactly what I was doing, too.

It's almost a kind of "...let's get them before they get me"-kind of approach, and let's force acceptance from people we've just met (or who are in our surroundings) - just in case. So let's be overly gay, overly stereotypical, overly ostentatious - just to establish our presence in the environment in which we find ourselves. By doing this, we're forcing acceptance and making ourselves feel better.

This is not a majority, that must be emphasized. But there is a certain stratum who do go out of their way to "prove a point" to others regarding their sexuality; almost forcing others to accept it before they can even consider it. I think @[Deleted User] came up with a very accurate expression when he said "challenge"; as that is exactly what it is; a challenge to others to accept us.

Pussyhands · 15-06-2022 9:24pm

I saw a story on rte earlier today about an lgbtq+ gaa team being set up.

For a group that wants inclusicity, isn't it a bit ironic they set up a team for only lgbtq people? 🤔

donaghs · 15-06-2022 9:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208704#Comment_119208704

Physical attacks are not legal in Ireland, and if you look at any such incidents in the media, people are not supportive or even neutral about them. E.g. the Sligo attacks, people are horrified. Not sure what “equality” can do now to fix that? The Sligo incident seems to be the work of a mentally unhinged extremely violent lone wolf type. But there seems to be issues with violence and anti-social behaviour in general in Dublin and other Irish towns.

It would be interesting and a good thing if more focus was put on the mistreatment of gay people in other regimes. They are after all suffering most? That might be a step to far for some people, especially the corporate sponsors.

gmisk · 15-06-2022 9:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208728#Comment_119208728

You saw it but you didn't pay any attention clearly.....it's explicitly LGBTQ+ inclusive....you don't have to be LGBTQ+ to play or be involved with them.

gmisk · 15-06-2022 9:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208733#Comment_119208733

Totally agree, I think alternative pride is much closer to the actual aim of what pride should be about.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/hundreds-attend-alternative-pride-on-dublin-s-rosie-hackett-bridge-1.3941866

Annasopra · 15-06-2022 9:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208716#Comment_119208716

It wasn't really a nuanced point. It was literally Straight couple kissing - thats fine. Gay couple - not fine.

15-06-2022 9:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119207653#Comment_119207653

Were not far off that point.

We can't dare think independently of the minority.

If we dare have our own thoughts which aren't those of the minority we are branded as( choose your insult).

The minority will soon have the upper hand and the rest of us will be protesting for our rights if we're allowed.

15-06-2022 9:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208768#Comment_119208768

That's between you and @[Deleted User].

But, based on the point I made in my post, do you agree that some - and I emphasize, some - LGBT people over-emphasize their identity in certain contexts to others as a means of forcing acceptance?

Annasopra · 15-06-2022 9:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208702#Comment_119208702

If wearing bikinis is a problem then everyone should be covering up on beaches

gameoverdude · 15-06-2022 9:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208728#Comment_119208728

I don't know about that.

There has to be a start. Look at the emerald warriors rugby team. Well respected and now, well a feckin rugby team. That's it.

One eyed Jack · 15-06-2022 9:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208702#Comment_119208702

Talk about purposely going out of your way to try and take offence where none was intended, when you’ve made your own feelings about Muslims quite clear 😂

If anyone’s leveraging one marginalised community against another here, it’s you, because there was no mention of the Islamic community, not least because of the fact that Burkinis aren’t any part of the Islamic dress code. They’re swimwear that anyone can wear, by choice.

Not for a moment though do I think you’re that dense that you missed the point of the joke.

Hamachi · 15-06-2022 9:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208786#Comment_119208786

Yes, indeed. However, there was no need for you to reference the clothing of a vulnerable minority to make your point.

Please be more careful with utterances moving forward.

gmisk · 15-06-2022 9:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208733#Comment_119208733

The facts as far as I am aware is that LGBT people statistically are a lot more likely to be a victim of physical/verbal abuse, that is my point. Pretty much every gay person I know has had multiple incidences, I can't say the same about my straight friends. I also think the incidences are under reported....I was walking home at night with my other half (now husband)... attacked by two scumbags and slashed in the face with a Stanley knife...f@ggot...used repeatedly...and you know what the gardai were useless one tit saying it definitely wasn't homophobic, they did f#ck all. It should be about protesting not about marketing for f#cking Tesco and Sky.

I agree with second part as you said.

donaghs · 15-06-2022 9:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208751#Comment_119208751

Had a quick look at this. Apart from their history of arresting and harassing gay people, what’s the issue today with uniformed Gardai ? Mainly seemed to be a US imported “defund the police” type thing. Quote: “we view them as a weapon for keeping us down”.

Also the claim that it’s for rich white Irish gays only seems dubious. The last 2 categories would certainly be well represented as it’s on in Ireland.

https://www.her.ie/amp/life/pride-has-lost-its-radical-edge-the-group-running-its-own-parade-this-saturday-469673

AllForIt · 15-06-2022 9:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208809#Comment_119208809

I knew a chap who played for the Emerald Warriors. Said he left the team because of all the internal politics. Can imagine, I said. No you can't, he said.

Hamachi · 15-06-2022 9:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208815#Comment_119208815

Will we expect to see you covered up on the beach this summer Jack?

I suspect that will be a tremendous relief to your fellow holiday makers.

15-06-2022 9:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208838#Comment_119208838

Are you implying there could be a future where no homophobic crimes could ever exist?

walshb · 15-06-2022 9:54pm

Pride Month, just like any other movement today is all just to do with attention seeking. The world’s people are obsessed with being approved and recognized and tagged and bigged up!!!

gameoverdude · 15-06-2022 9:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208844#Comment_119208844

ONe person. I wont guess at the internal politics, but it's a start and well respected.

Rugby is played on the pitch. Not your sexuality.

gmisk · 15-06-2022 9:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208841#Comment_119208841

I can only speak from my personal experience with the gardai when I was a victim of a homophobic attack and it was poor, and it wasn't that long ago.

15-06-2022 9:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208864#Comment_119208864

I think validation is the word that psychologists use, but yes, I think the direction of travel of your point is right.

gmisk · 15-06-2022 9:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208854#Comment_119208854

Of course not unfortunately, but there is no reason why we couldn't highlight the issue and try to reduce the likelihood of one occuring.

One eyed Jack · 15-06-2022 9:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208845#Comment_119208845

Hamachi if I laid out on a beach, people would be calling Greenpeace, thinking they’d just spotted a beached whale 😂

walshb · 15-06-2022 9:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208878#Comment_119208878

Yep, and the post you have here that got many thanks: Well, it’s pretty much everything I would have tried to say!!!!

Faugheen · 15-06-2022 10:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208728#Comment_119208728

I would bet you my mortgage that this isn't how it would work at all. It would be promoted as an LGBTQ+ friendly team that would start at the very bottom of the junior leagues, but they would absolutely welcome everyone regardless of their sexual orientation.

Case in point, the Emerald Warriors rugby team. Exact same premise but they welcome everyone.

Imagine trying to make out the LGBTQ+ community as non-inclusive and making absolute sh*te of it. Another swing and a miss from your good self.

One eyed Jack · 15-06-2022 10:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208841#Comment_119208841

Their argument is basically that Pride has become mainstream. I like the way you put that though -

Apart from their history of arresting and harassing gay people, what’s the issue today with uniformed Gardai ?

😁

15-06-2022 10:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208935#Comment_119208935

We're gay. We're not victims.

Sometimes, bad things happen. As they do to everyone. But that's all it is.

One eyed Jack · 15-06-2022 10:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119208942#Comment_119208942

It’s not like you Eskimo to pretend you missed the point? 🤔

As if 😂

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