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56% of South Dublin Social housing in arrears

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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's the law and there's reality. Weed is illegal so no-one smokes it right? See, silliness. There's a reason the people who can't countenance being in the private rental market look for their Forever Home. Because once you're in you're never going. Do you actually, genuinely believe for a second that they're about to launch a few thousand cases before the courts? Come on. Hell, another personal example. Aunt died about 15 years ago. Lived in a council house. Her son lived there too but they would've had to pay another €3 a week (not messing) if they declared it. So almost a year after she died he got a letter saying to get out. Suffice to say 10 years later he had boarded up the windows and barricaded the back door and everything stripped out of the house. Never paid a cent and never had anyone else round. Officially he was homeless the entire time and the house was empty.

    I'm annoyed at the fawning over a millionaire pontificating about something he was happy to take part in and make his profit from. He should stick to telling the victims of a terrorist massacre in Nigeria that climate change was the cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx



    You haven't a rashers, the private rental market is regulated to within an inch of its life



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭Fattybojangles


    You'll forgive me for not taking your opinion seriously considering you use the word WOKE in serious discussions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    What we have right now is chronic moral hazard



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    What we have is chronic abuse on social welfare system, but continue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    WOKE is used by everyone from boards.ie contributors to mainstream media broadcasters to print journalists, it's a common term in modern parlance


    I find it extremely difficult to take anyone seriously who believes that the private rental market here is completely unregulated



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey


    Yes, you sound like a lovely person all right.

    It's funny how you jump to "replacement theory", betraying your own thoughts, when all I'm talking about is the simplicity of squeezing 2 people into a space suitable for one person.

    I can point to the housing crisis as an existential fact of my argument. What have you got, rambling "I wish you were dead" bullshyte?

    Well, f*ck you too, troglodyte. You're on the wrong side of history, and whether some yoke fell in love with your passport or not isn't going to change anything, or whatever social situation you created for yourself.

    Migration is the driving force behind multiple serious deficiencies in this country, and thats that. Numbers. Yes, basic maths, something of which you're deathly afraid.

    Now off you trot, you pavlovian imbecile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,630 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Poor management by the council inertia and can't be bothered by councils who are the owners of the properties is the issue.

    The management and rent collection should be done by a not-for-profit organisation the councils should only commission the housing and allocate it.

    Despite what you see here large multi-generational life-long unemployment and or criminal families are a small percentage of social housing tenants, some men working part-time in Tesco or driving a taxi or a woman with a part-time job do not stand out so no one ever hears about them.

    There have always been housing crises in Ireland for some reason.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Housing_Action_Committee



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    Have you anything to back up your percentage claim?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,500 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Bwaaaahaaaahaaaa

    A post complaining about slogans with WOKE in there.

    You crack me up Max.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    People respond to incentives, at the moment the wrong type of behavior is incentivised. What I think we should do is, instead of having the traditional social housing model, we move away from that, with government funding going to Affordable Housing For Low Income Workers (something like 5 year lease, rent linked to income and uncapped to incentivise people to move out if they earn too much). For those who would have traditionally went on the housing list, they would then be left with either waiting for an even smaller number of council housing to become available, use HAP or get a job. We will never have enough susbsidised rentals, so it is really an allocation issue, who should get the ones we do have? I think it is much fairer to allocate to those who are working.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Maybe read a history book and you will see you are already on the wrong side of history. Ireland still has shame for refusing jewish people fleeing the holocaust. I have no idea what you are saying about my passport and what "yoke" you are talking about . Ireland's housing density and occupancy rates are very low compared to the rest of Europe so there is no squeezing 2 people in the space for 1.

    I don't claim to be a lovely person but I have more empathy than you.

    Simple maths for you long term unemployed father of 2 with an ex partner also not working both are entailed to 2 separate 3 bed places. Versus a migrant IT working getting €80k and paying rent. Who contributes to Irish tax and society the most? In order to pay for the social welfare "family" you need others to pay tax. The problem isn't immigrants who mostly work. Refugees are part of the agreements we made in order to get up to the level of the rest of Europe where we got a lot of money.

    You see your basic maths is useless because you have no economic understanding and how things are funded. You are just an angry person ignorant of basic economic understanding. I am under no illusions of your views and racism. It simply requires willful ignorance

    Care to tell us what you do for a living that has you so angry?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    If highly skilled migrants choose to come here it is hugely beneficial to the country. We get the full benefit of the finished article, without having had to invest in their education. It is a huge win.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey


    There are too many people on the country. People live in homes. More people, less homes. And that can be extended to many other serious problems.

    I don't give a rats arse about cherry picking anything, hypotheticals, or philosophical sewerage.

    There are a bunch of knuckleheads that claim these problems need to be accommodated, "just build more houses!" No, that's not reality.

    That is the equivalent of some bonehead pouting a carton of milk on the floor, looking at you wall-eyed and proclaiming "I wouldn't be doing this if there was a glass!"

    No. The lack of a glass isn't the problem, it's the imbecile poring milk on the floor that's the problem.


    I'd love to spin your head about what I do, and where I'm making decisions on people's lives across the world. It would be funny. Don't worry about it, you just go right ahead supporting fools pouring milk on the floor and believing you're somehow above me in station.

    You're wrong, your ideas are wrong, your outlook is wrong, your interpretation of reality is wrong, and the future of global sustainability has all ready discounted your ramblings, you just didn't get the message yet. You will.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey


    That must be why the government is fast tracking an extra 40,000 non EU migrants to, essentially, prop up a failing service industry.

    This "highly skilled, can only be beneficial" nonsense is dead.

    An ever worsening national situation, year on year, will tell you something is clearly wrong. I'm also telling you specifically what is wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Highly skilled immigrants are of much greater benefit to the country than people who spend their lives with their hand out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    I don't believe for a minute you do anything helping lives around the with what you have said.

    The fact you can't say how I am wrong yet I can easily point to where you are wrong. We are legally obliged to take refugees and we can take them. To claim they are being brought in to staff the service industry is absolutely ridiculous and offensive. You think you would be on the right side of history by refusing to help refugees from Ukraine is ludicrous.

    You could actually answer the questions put to you so we could understand your thoughts more. All you are expressing is thinly veiled racism and extreme ignorance of economics and finances. Yet we are to believe that you have enough education and intelligence to be working on something that you personally help people all over the world. It just isn't believable given what you are saying.

    Talk about milk all you like but the problem with simplistic stories is they are simple yet when given a true example you are afraid to talk about it. Still glad you are so angry and helpless to change what makes you mad and you see it all still happen. You prove me wrong before you just declare it because your opinion stands for nothing with out at least a coherent argument.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey


    Yes, and low skilled immigrants with their hands out their whole lives are of far less value than a highly skilled Irish person.


    See where cherry picking gets you? That's right, nowhere.


    Further, I'd hazard a guess as to the skill balance between those arriving and those not. For example, again, another 40,000 non EU migrants expedited into low skill jobs that are unaffordable for Irish people. Race to the bottom. And that's why the country is in the shape it's in.

    The philosophy, nee pyramid scheme, of migration to prop up failed systems is over.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Do you not think the immigrants provide a good example to the unemployed locals who don't want to work int he service industry? They can learn something from them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey


    You're talking shyte.

    Of course you find it hard to believe that I'm a mountain compared to your dungheap, it would shatter your existence. So you discard it to preserve your fragile mind. So what? Who cares?

    You're talking about refugees, I'm not. I never mentioned refugees.

    You're talking about hypotheticals. I'm not.

    You're cherry picking. I'm not.

    You're circling around the facts of the matter looking for one new angle after another. You're not going to get it. Reality is reality.

    There are too many people in the country. This fact of the matter is borne out through the housing crisis, amongst a lot more. Deal with it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey


    Do you not think the employed locals give a good example to the immigrants who don't work?

    They can learn something from them.


    We can do this all day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭nedkelly123


    They already are 52% of rent is taxed

    ROUGH EXAMPLE

    Rent 1000 pm

    Mortgage 1000 pm

    the revenue will send you a lovely bill of 12k being taxable ~6k

    this goes back to pay for all the spongers lifestyles



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    What has this got to do with the South Dublin council rents in arrears by the way? I think it is clear, you don't like immigration, possibly because you think they are competing for resources which are "yours" or something like that. Immigration for the most part is very beneficial for Ireland, we wouldn't have the tech industry we have without it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey


    It became a tangent after some joker thought to focus in on my mere mention of migration in another post.

    "It's clear you don't like immigration". No, what IS clear is that migration exerts unnecessary pressure on housing, forcing prices upward through sheer forced scarcity.

    "Because you think they are competing for resources". No, they ARE competing for resources, it's not up for interpretation. The housing crisis says hello.

    "Resources that are ""yours"" or something like that". Yes, it's called being a country. I won't be applying for social benefits from Swaziland because, guess what, it's not my country, those resources belong to the people of Swaziland.


    "Immigration for the most part is beneficial". No, it demonstrably is not mostly beneficial. It pumps gdp numbers, inflates asset prices for some and suppresses wages and working conditions to the benefit of some. Everyone else loses. For example, look at *everything*.


    Migration is a pyramid scheme to prop up failed systems that is destined for failure. Too many people is the problem in this country, and no amount of proselytizing or pavlovian training will change that fact. It's dead.


    Specifically to the rent avoidance and arrears of the op, this is, like everything, connected to the running of a pyramid scheme. It breaks, it is breaking, and you can't blame people who either cannot afford it or simply refuse to pay it. Playing honestly in a crooked game is for suckers. A bad precedent for society, but ,again, you reap what you sow.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Sorry what reality is pouring milk on the ground not hypothetical. I gave you a clear example I know and you "cherry picked" not to answer.

    You are just an absolute hypocrite

    I find it hard to believe you would have any responsibility and ability given your display of ignorance. Calling yourself a mountain is a disturbing. Any hints at what you do at all? You make it out as so important and grand but no details at all. It obviously can't involve financial control given your basic understanding of maths and economic forces. I doubt you make medical devices but I could believe you pack them to be shipped.

    You have no credibility due to your direct insults and name calling. No back up to any of your claims. Refusal to engage with question and information put to you . The ultimate is just telling people they are wrong without any foundation of an argument.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey


    Yeah yeah yeah.


    There are too many people in the country. This is manifested in reality.

    I can't simplify it any further for you, I'm sorry I can't communicate in the grunts you seem to need, but we all have our drawbacks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    You are assuming every landlord is in the higher tax bracket. That's not true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    WOKE is a widely used term, just because it's perceived to be critical of folks like you doesn't change this .

    Suspect you have no qualms with terms like TERF ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,500 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Widely used by you, and probably in whatever right wing crank circles you hang around with.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    You could provide proof. Last time I checked rural villages were complaining nobody was living there. There is plenty of room and all you are saying is you further don't understand what the housing crisis is.

    Again your response shows no signs of knowledge or intelligence. Did you even finish secondary school or on the spectrum?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Heard a PBP Councillor vigorously defending the tenants who are 20k in arrears on radio earlier today, presenter put it to him that some tenants strategically set out to defraud the council and he went off on one about how it's down to psychological issues and lack of mental health services

    .the councils are in an unenviable position, enforce the rules and idiot socialist politicians attack them for it in the media



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    If there was work for those people in bed they would sleep on the floor. Yea



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey


    Picture, for an instance, some arsewipe on the internet insisting that you are, in fact, an ape. You know you're not an ape, so everytime this person insists you are an ape, your probable response would be a curious smile of amusement, right?

    You imagining I'm some ill-educated person is 100% incorrect. You're an amusement to me.

    Now, once again I must instruct you. You are insisting there is room in this country. (angle number 27 to subvert reality).

    Again, you are wrong. You are substituting the idea of physical space with economic reality. What a fools idea. You know where else has space, the top of Kilimanjaro. Off you go. Bring all your mates too.

    Follow along now!

    Step 1. True, productive space in this country has been brought to a practical standstill because it is so expensive.

    Step 2. It is so expensive because there is demand.

    Step 3. It is artificial demand, driven through the Ponzi economics of migration.

    Step 4. There are too many people in this country. Exactly, too many extra people. This continues apace despite reality. Not for long, though.


    Now go to Kilimanjaro and think about your next angle of inevitable failure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Absolute hypocrite with no back up. Stay angry I love it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,289 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Another absolute waste in legal costs taking this through the courts too. A bill needs to be passed to deduct at source, its the only way to cut out this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey


    There are too many people in the country, hence housing costs, healthcare failings, educational squeezes, and so on. Simplicity itself. The truth.

    This guy's response? "you're a hypocrite!!"

    Like what in the hell are you even talking about, man lol. Get a grip.


    It's life-affirming actually, to see the transparency of the emperor's new clothes, not a bloody jot of argument, just flailing words willy nilly, like a landed trout gasping for air.


    As for your pathetic "I'm happy because you're not happy!"...


    Just farcical. I have no problem stating that it makes me angry sometimes to witness. If you aren't a Manchurian candidate, who wouldn't be?

    The world is collapsing on your insipid idealogy, because your idealogy is insipid. Funny stuff man, although it is beneficial for others to read along and see just HOW empty and void this migration pyramid scheme is when put under an iota of scrutiny.

    You're nicked, my son :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,108 ✭✭✭amacca


    That is the biggest problem in a lot of areas of society


    Lack of enforcement of existing rules /consequences


    And our society ends up paying for it in the end.


    and I don't blame the people at the coalface charged with enforcing either...they are usually let down again and again by the system.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,108 ✭✭✭amacca


    That's one thing I can't understand....if you are receiving a house from the and there is a rent....then why not deduct at source? Is there a legal issue etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey


    I encourage everyone to read back over this exchange.

    It's a lesson in the idiocy of this migration pyramid scheme, culminating, predictably, in the intellectually worthy defence of "lol, I live in your head!".

    Idiots are on the side of never ending migration, because they were told to be. Useful to some.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,289 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    There is rent reviews every 12-18 months. You don't submit the paperwork, they'll lump a weekly penalty on the account.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The way we've set up our welfare means that deducting at source is close to illegal without agreement. Hell I remember a few years ago someone asking about why the state has to pay so much support to single parents, why aren't the other parents contributing? There's plenty of places will lock you up for not paying child support but here it's "Ah now, can't go garnishing the money they get for nothing".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    There are certain payments ring fenced that deduction can't be taken from and others with a limit. It certainly isn't close to illegal to deduct from social welfare payment and is a daily occurrence. Debt management system is very straight forward. Over payment seen and letter is sent out and the money is deducted over a period of time by a formula. The person can dispute the deduction and/or arrange a different payment plan. Basically not much of what you said is true



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    In fairness you come across as a foaming at the mouth anti-immigration lunatic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey


    Ah yes, the lunacy of suggesting reality, that more people equals less resource/increased cost of resource.

    Only a f*cking imbecile would fail to recognise the lock-step increase of migration with housing costs every year.

    I'm more than happy to come across as a monster to self-destructive imbeciles. Who cares what imbeciles think? Nobody.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    It is your opinion, not reality. We benefit for the most part from immigration, the competition for resources is a sign of success. It be even better if we could get rid of some of the dead weight with their hands out, like you.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭freemickey


    Ah yes, the housing crisis is a sign of success!

    The healthcare fiasco is a sign of success!

    Up is down!

    "Extra people living in scarce homes is like, your opinion, man".


    Are you out of your mind? Are you so far detached from reality, gagging on the pyramid scheme of migration, that your brain just up and left your body one day?

    "Success"?! "Mostly beneficial"?!

    Good grief.


    Also, note how this specimen implies "if only we could get rid of you", just like the other human experiment who also wishes me dead. Note the pattern, that when the ideology of the migration pyramid is challenged, it follows this line....

    1 squawk siren calls like "racist", "anti-immigrant' and such.

    2 realise their ideology is insanely lacking substance

    3 wish you were dead for pointing out their crazed lunacy



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