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Heavyweight Boxing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,967 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Style wise I think Parker hammers Dubois. Too versatile and resilient. Dubois has much better chance v Whyte, who is probably shot to bits now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Ah lads Usyk hasn’t beaten him yet! I can see lots of ways for him to win that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Emmm I half agree. Hammer might be a stretch but yes he wins for me. He is so much more developed than Dubois. I’m not sure Whyte is shot. He’s bound to be thinking he’s a milllion miles from winning a world title but still very dangerous. Hughie Fury? If its close its easy to give him a decision if not he looks great…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Surely the deal is based off how he does in rematch,

    As in win & he is given ex amount lose and he is on Y,

    Where does he go if he loses ,

    Id love to see him fight Wilder but its a fight he won't take till Wilder is 40 odd,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    The money men are hoping for an AJ win and then AJ vs Fury. Which I think will happen if AJ wins



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,967 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Was thinking the same

    1. win and he is right back at or near the top. Can claim to have avenged both his defeats. His stock rises...
    2. Loses....he can fcuk off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,967 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    How it plays out remains to be seen, but I think it's clear that AJ needs something different than the timid and cautious box type approach from fight 1.

    He's 6 feet 6 and 245 lbs. He's clearly the bigger man. He needs to act and behave like he is, and show some balls and give it an actual go. HW champion of the world in fight 1 and fought like a windbag I felt. That approach may works against the likes of a fat unprepared Ruiz, or Parker, but not against Usyk

    I am not sayin new approach and tactics means he wins. I am saying he needs to change. He needs to try a deal harder everywhere!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 928 ✭✭✭Butson


    Who has Joshua actually beaten?

    Klitschko was on his last legs. 41 years old.

    Whyte - average at best

    Parker - Limited, went to points

    Povetkin - end of his career

    Pulev - Rubbish

    Andy Ruiz - the man didn't train at all for the rematch and came in so under prepared it was comical. Still went the distance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,967 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    It's been done to death the whole who did he he beat, and the other lad beat etc....

    The top 5 HWs rated in the world now.....I can't get excited over any of their resumes....

    You can pick and poke at them all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    I think it’s worth remembering that Joshua as bad as he was was well in the fight at the end of R9 and at that point he bloodied Usyk. Usyk took over down the straight and his fitness made all the difference. Joshua would have been better going gung-ho than just letting the well run dry and giving up his belts cheaply and meekly. I don’t think Usyk will be as good and I don’t think Joshua will be as bad. After that the bigger, stronger man has a lot of advantages if he uses them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I th

    Biggest question mark in this fight for me is what did the 2 to 3 months in Ukraine do to Usyk's shape & engine ,

    Obviously he had more important stuff to worry about but how did it effect his weight it took him time to build up to heavy weight correctly ,

    So it'll be interesting to see did it have an effect on his body composition , Hard to think he was training and eating as well as pre AJ 1,

    So where is he size wise ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Yep that;s another issue I’ve been mulling over. What I said above stands in my opinion without the war so putting that into the mix could have both positive and negative consequences. He will be super motivated maybe hardened and more determined than ever. He could be distracted or have some of those technical problems youre suggesting. It’s facinating but I’;m picking Joshua again here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    The weight is a massive issue for me & could be his undoing

    I also truly believe AJ didn't want this fight but has no where else to go, If the fight goes beyond 3/4 rounds AJ will pack it & be stopped .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,967 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I am a bit suspicious at how confident Eddie and DAZN seem to be portraying an AJ win...

    I cant imagine AJ goes into fight 2 (with all that is at stake and with all the pressures to win) as cautiously and timidly.

    We should get some sort of war in fight 2, for however long it lasts...

    It's a 50-50 for me, slightly leaning with Usyk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,967 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    He did go the full 12 in fight 1......no reason why he cannot go 12 in fight 2, should fight 2 be similar....unless you believe that Usyk piles on pressure from rds 5 onwards to get a stoppage...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright



    Ye he did but iv a sneaky feeling AJ's mental game is crumbling , going on some of the interviews he has given since that fight he seems a bit lost,

    I honestly think with the change of head coach ,all the talk of taking Usyk out & the knowing its win or bust, He will really unravel this time if he can't get Usyk out early ,

    Could i be completely wrong of course i could but i think AJ falls apart in this one ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,967 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Falls apart mentally, physically or both?

    I mean, if he has really trained hard and prepared physically, then his body should be able to go rds here

    I think sometimes the mental side things is over-analyzed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I think he mentally packs it in this time,

    Last time out he stopped trying to win after round 9 and went in survival mode,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    I don;t think so. That questioning between rounds and bizarre talk really started vs Ruiz and he was at it again against Usyk. He can’t go back in and bs about chess. He needs to try to hurt Usyk. I think if Usyk is catching him again and he is having no success after 4-5 rounds then Usyk just takes over to win more convincingly. Maybe I’m swapping a bit but he really needs to be going for this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,967 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Well, with AJ it wouldn't be a huge surprise. There is that kind of fragility, and lack of real pro type survival/grit skills.

    Of course, physical preparation is very important for how the mind works during the tough times in boxing. So if AJ has really prepared and improved his physical capabilities (cardio/ruggedness/strength), then the mind should also improve...gives that air of confidence and belief when you know and feel that your body is in tiptop shape.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    I was worried about that originally as he was reportedly walking around at low 190s when he left Ukraine but it has been months now since he is in Poland. The more this fight has got delayed has suited him, I imagine he is in shape by now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,967 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Fury, the spoofer he is has made a predictable retirement u-turn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    He was never retiring,

    Remember the talk of retirement happened exactly on the same day that Whyte never turned up to the presser,

    It was Fury thinking on his feet on how to sell the fight without Whyte's help , so he quite cleverly said this is my last fight last chance to see me in action & boom it sold out ,

    In the weeks leading up he had talked about becoming undisputed and sticking around, He has bee entraining every day since the fight & hasn;t handed over the belt, it was a gimmick to sell tickets



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Of course it was but anyone with a brain could see that.

    On another note did any of you see the bit with Julius Francis? Any thoughts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,967 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    He's being well defended.....

    The chap was far far bigger than the lad walking towards him....he did not need to use such force, and that could have killed that man.

    He's a former HW pro boxer....his hands/skills/capabilities (along with his large size/weight) against the clearly smaller man....well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,967 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yep, a spoofer.....and all the talk about people's champion and nothing to do with the money and all that gick......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    He should have dealt with it differently, but the lad had literally just been throwing punches at people & then raised his hand to Francis so its his own fault,

    The problem with incidents like that are if he bangs his head on the concrete on the way down you could be looking at murder/manslaughter charge all over nothing, Terrible waste of life for everyone involved ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Yep that;s my way of thinking. I’m not sure he was really posing a serious threat at any stage. Even just prior to the Francis punch he had a mini altercation and didn’t really even throw a punch but took a bit of a shot. His friend was if anything more aggressive. The other bouncers were walking them down and getting them out successfully. He’d turned to leave at that stage and raised his hand rather than threw it. I’m puzzled as to what legitimate reason Francis would have for walking out round the outside to meet him head on. A bit of a dig in the gut etc that would put him down I can see into but for me that far exceeded reasonable force in order to defend oneself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Ye agree,

    Just one thing the reason Francis walked around the other side is door security 101 ,

    The lad walked out around the barrier with the bouncers the other side,& thus feels "safe" & will 9 times out of 10 more aggressive ,

    As he feels the barrier is protecting him & he can lean in throw something and run off,

    So Francis does what he should and also goes the other side of the barrier & behind him but not right behind gives him room , makes the bloke think twice about doing something ,

    Remember the bouncer duty is not just to protect his other door men but to members of the public who walk up to the pub or even past it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,262 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    I see Steve Bunce making it up as he goes along again. Gorman was not the favourite against Dubois.

    He blew over a Czech in a round tonight. Big wow.

    Him and Wardley would be a good watch but we wont get that for a while I doubt. He’ll likely do what Dubois did and fight a blown up yank.



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