Dublin Pride ends media partnership with RTE over Liveline's Gender Identity discussion

You must not have been following the Olympics

Thomas, 22, who spent the previous three years swimming with the men’s team before she began transitioning to a woman, has created an uneasy environment in the locker room, as she still retains her biologically male genitalia — which are sometimes exposed — and is attracted to women, one teammate told the Daily Mail in an interview.

The swimmer told the outlet that other team members have spoken to the team’s coaches about possibly getting Thomas to change elsewhere from the rest of the team, but those discussions haven’t gone anywhere

Transgender swimmer Lia Thomas admitted she is still dating women.Penn Athletics

“Multiple swimmers have raised it, multiple different times,” she said. “But we were basically told that we could not ostracize Lia by not having her in the locker room and that there’s nothing we can do about it, that we basically have to roll over and accept it, or we cannot use our own locker room.”

She added, “It’s really upsetting because Lia doesn’t seem to care how it makes anyone else feel. The 35 of us are just supposed to accept being uncomfortable in our own space and locker room for, like, the feelings of one.”

White was sent to the female prison estate on the basis of self-identification as a woman, despite having had neither surgery nor hormone treatment.

Convicted paedophile White was imprisoned on remand for grievous bodily harm and multiple rapes and other sexual offences against women.

From 2018 These numbers are from those that admitted to being trans

It said that 60 of the 125 transgender inmates it counted in England and Wales were serving time for a sexual offence.

Remember - those 125 transgender inmates only include people who have had a prison case conference. It won't include transgender people who haven't identified themselves to the prison service or who already have a gender recognition certificate.

Of the 60 serving time for sexual offences:

• 27 were convicted of rape (plus a further five of attempted rape)
• 13 were convicted of possessing, distributing or making indecent images of children
• 13 were convicted of sexual assault or attempted sexual assault
• Nine were convicted of causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
• Seven were convicted of sexual activity with a child
• Seven were convicted of indecent assault or gross indecency

Those numbers add up to more than 60 because some prisoners are serving time for more than one offence.

We don't know the gender of the victims or perpetrators in these cases.

The Scottish Prison Service says the 17 trans prisoners it counted were serving time for a range of crimes, including some sexual offences. But it wouldn't tell us precisely how many had been convicted of a sexual offence.

A more detailed Breakdown

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners):

76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9%

125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3%

13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8%

I'll leave it at that because we don't know if someone is just faking it or truly believes they are of another sex.

It’s not a distraction technique or anything like it. The woman who was giving her opinion made the claim that men as a class, are a threat to women as a class. When pressed on it by Duffy, she admitted that she had ‘a man in her life’, as she put it. Duffy isn’t on a salary of €400k a year for nothing - he knows exactly the kind of people he wants on his show to make a good show for his audience. @AllForIt hit the nail on the head earlier- he plays devils advocate with guests who he knows have a hair trigger.

The point I was making about ‘a man in a dress’, is because that’s entirely the stereotype of the bogeyman that is portrayed as a threat to women and children in changing rooms, ie - the claim is made that self-ID legislation allows men who want to attack women, to enter women’s changing rooms to do so. We’ve had self-ID legislation here for 7 years, and in that time there has never been an issue of men who claim to be women, attacking women and children in changing rooms.

That’s why I said it was remote. That’s why I said women don’t live their lives in constant fear and anxiety that they’re going to be attacked by a man in a dress. That’s why I said I understand why someone who is that paranoid IS that paranoid - because THEY read the news. They go looking for these stories, just like you did, and came back with a story from the UK about a man who was not wearing a dress, who attacked a girl in a public toilet, in the UK.

Of course it’s understandable that people want to avoid these situations, ya think like? But the point being made is that it’s rubbish to claim that women need to live in constant fear for their lives and the lives of their children on the basis that they could be attacked by a man in a dress as a consequence of self-ID legislation.

If the concerns are for women’s safety, as opponents of self-ID claim, then it appears they should be far more concerned about being attacked by ‘the men in their lives’, than men as a class, let alone the idea that any man would bother to go to the trouble of applying for a gender recognition certificate as part of some devious and cunning master plan to gain access to women’s changing rooms to attack women and children, because that’s always been a criminal offence, regardless of the gender or sex of the sex offender.

As Voltaire once said…”I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”.

Except Voltaire never said it -

https://amp.checkyourfact.com/2019/09/17/fact-check-voltaire-disapprove-defend-death-right-freedom-speech

Bit awkward 😬

Because in making your point about the importance of the right to freedom of speech, you used a quote that nobody ever said. Beatrice Hall was giving it as an example of Voltaire’s thinking -

In the passage where the quote appears, Hall discusses Voltaire’s reaction to news that the government had condemned and burned fellow French philosopher Claude-Adrien Helvétius’ book. Voltaire, according to Hall, did not find the substance of Helvétius’ work particularly impressive but was still dismayed by French Parliament’s actions.

That’s where the whole idea of defending the right to freedom of speech comes from - the idea that anyone should be able to express their opinions without fear of prosecution by the STATE. It doesn’t seek to protect anyone from condemnation by people who disagree with them.

In any case it’s irrelevant here because you don’t and wouldn’t defend anyone’s right to freedom of expression, which is a good thing for you, because you don’t have to. The right to freedom of expression is already recognised in the Irish Constitution, and upheld by the State, and it is a limited right, meaning nobody has the right to just say whatever they like -

6 1° The State guarantees liberty for the exercise of the following rights, subject to public order and morality: –

i The right of the citizens to express freely their convictions and opinions.

The education of public opinion being, however, a matter of such grave import to the common good, the State shall endeavour to ensure that organs of public opinion, such as the radio, the press, the cinema, while preserving their rightful liberty of expression, including criticism of Government policy, shall not be used to undermine public order or morality or the authority of the State.

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/cons/en#article40

And because the State has a responsibility to ensure that organs of public opinion (in this case, RTE), are not used to undermine public order or the morality or the authority of the State, this is why the Oireachtas Committee on Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport and Media are inviting RTE to a meeting to discuss the issues which have resulted from the broadcasts -

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0615/1304966-rte-dublin-pride/

Quite simply, because RTE have a responsibility to the public, and that public includes people who are transgender, RTE don’t get to enjoy the right to freedom of expression in the same way it relates to individuals, and so this idea that Dublin Pride are disingenuously attempting to engineer a situation/narrative where people would be afraid to question, disagree or debate their views, just doesn’t amount to much at all. Dublin Pride aren’t responsible for a situation engineered by RTE to generate more revenue by attempting to whip the general public up into a moral panic about people who are transgender.

FLAC represented Lydia Foy in her actions against the state regarding legal recognition of Transgender person's true identity.

So RTE, and everyone must follow suit, only present the view of Trans activist. And ANY other divergent point of view will be condemned as bigoted hateful etc.

That makes absolutely no sense, and is frighteningly intolerant and censorious, extremist . But these are the times we are living in now.

Exactly. I was told earlier there was no fearmongering in this thread but you have just highlighted some of the fearmongering.

RTE's responsibility to the public is to facilitate reasoned discussion on topics of public interest and to conduct the discussions fairly. All the evidence suggests that Liveline did this. The discussion was over multiple days. So, anyone who wanted to contact them had plenty of opportunity. I heard Joe Duffy say they made several attempts to contact the Irish Council for Civil Liberties who released a particularly critical statement about the first program, but they didn't reply. That suggests that some of these organisations, who signed that letter to the Irish Times, don't want fair reasoned discussion on the subject.

When the vast majority of people within these organisations can't, or more likely won't, even answer the simple question "What is a woman?" without losing their tempers or giving answers with zero logical backing, you cannot expect a reasoned discussion from them.

A public discussion exposes the entire framework of the ideology; that it is a house built on a foundation of paper. The reality is that even these staunch defenders of it, know this deep down.

'Duffy isn’t on a salary of €400k a year for nothing'

Lol

Transpeople and women alike need to be protected from people like yourself.