Dublin Pride ends media partnership with RTE over Liveline's Gender Identity discussion

I remember during the referendum on Marriage Equality there were some very articulate, passionate people in the media supporting it. With their words they definitely won over support for marriage equality. The other side looked like cranks in comparison which probably lost them support.

Some of those very same people now get angry if any discussion they don’t like comes up and refer to it as hate speech or transphobic. I don't think the referendum would not have passed if they had behaved like this previously so this new approach is a red flag for me. Why can’t a woman have concerns about the word woman being removed from legislation. Should certain organisations not be saying for reasons x,y and z there won’t be an issue with this change? Why the rush to condemn??

Unless you talk like Data from Star Trek I really doubt you eschew ALL pronouns. That saying is just for annoying older pedants, it's like a teacher retorting "I don't know, CAN you go to the bathroom?".

If I can be pedantic myself, the 'who' in that saying is literally a pronoun lol.

The links are true, and they're damning, but Farage avatar is going to have difficulty understanding why.

The people being discredited are being discredited because of their hateful rhetoric and their platform and support of bigots who have a common enemy. It's hardly a classic example of an Ad Hominen attack if they're being criticised specifically for what they believe and promote lol.

I wasn't able to find this but I have a funny feeling when you mean "some women" what she had probably said is specifically TERFs or Gender Criticals - which are organised groups you identify into specifically to be nasty to transgender people (and if you think she's being bigoted, since when have you cared about that?). Framing it as a "woman vs. transgender" thing is a disingenous trick I've seen you do a lot.

Duh? Seem to? I'd more than dislike anyone who'd spend this much time, money, and energy to spread hatred and misinformation about me. Some of their rhetoric is practically genodical:

https://twitter.com/setoacnna/status/1533204551251132417

On your point related to TERFs and the fact that they are organised groups ergo not "all women" that are targetted, we've seen how malleable language is to Progressives. Anyone even questioning immigration policy is now labelled a "racist". It is no stretch to see that any woman that would question the Trans ideology could, and would, be easily included under the umbrella term "TERF".

That is because you are questioning Progressive Religious Dogma.

Your post typifies everything that is wrong with the trans lobbies approach to debate:

Everything you say means nothing to normal people, because there's no substance to any of it, and all these terms and just ways to give yourself ideological cover, because your ideological can't stand on its own two feet, so you need cheap tactics to use as crutches.

You are part of the community. At what age are people having surgeries at the moment?

An article I found suggests that:

"The World Professional Association for Transgender Health said hormones could be started at age 14, two years earlier than the group’s previous advice, and some surgeries done at age 15 or 17, a year or so earlier than previous guidance. The group acknowledged potential risks but said it is unethical and harmful to withhold early treatment."

Trans kids' treatment can start younger, new guidelines say (yahoo.com)

So regardless of what is actually happening in this current moment there is definitely a push to have hormones started in 14 year olds and surgeries to be done as early as 15 years old. Not sure if you consider 14 and 15 year old people as children technically?

If someone were to go on Liveline and insist that children aged 14 should not be starting hormones and people aged 15 should absolutely not be getting surgeries then, as a member of the community yourself, would you consider that kind of statement to be transphobic?

How do you feel about 15 year old people undergoing surgeries to change their gender? Are discussions of such things in the public interest?

As a member of that community you should know more than most about what's going on with this kind of thing. If you are saying that children aren't having surgeries is it because you don't consider a 16 year old to be a child or is it because these kinds of surgeries aren't happening in Ireland yet?

As an outsider it kind of looks like the LGBTQ+ community circles the wagons if there's a bit of controversy going on within the community and then goes all out on the attack if any kind of negative aspect gets discussed in public. There's definitely a push to start treatments at younger ages and it seems impossible that you would not know about this. So why the flat denial?

You're right, when people make their entire professional career about being anti-trans, transgender people should not say "that's shite", they should say "yes sir, please can I have some more"

Which people exactly are you referring to here?

ive been reading this, but sorry, I don’t see where your going here,

Surely not Joe Duffy? I’m no fan of his show but he’s fairly inoffensive.

Would it really be that surprising if the internet hardmen of the past simply found a niche where they could threaten and bully and harass people and never really be called out on it? It makes sense that cowardly people like this would just gravitate to situations where you can get away with threatening people and using violent rhetoric.

So, you think Helen Joyce should be "smashed out of existence" or you think it's okay and not a bad look for biological males to be saying this about women?

For what it's worth, the point that I think Joyce was making in that quote is that the huge increase in trans identifying teenage girls could be resulting in some of them being put on a medical pathway that is not in their best interests, because they might not actually be trans at all. That question is being debated in the medical world, whether anyone else likes it or not. Maybe, she could have put it in a more sensitive way though.

No one should be encouraging moody 14 year old girls to poison, mutilate and sterilise themselves.

So in that sense there should indeed be fewer transitioning people, by limiting these transitions to adulthood.