Dublin Pride ends media partnership with RTE over Liveline's Gender Identity discussion

I think the thing with the surgeries is that it's one of the main aspects that terrifies parents. So it takes up a much larger share of the concern than maybe it deserves. I'd imagine most parents would rather that their 16 year old daughter is not getting a double mastectomy. This becomes more terrifying if schools are not being transparent about what is going on in the classroom. If parents concerns are met with a cold brick wall and a not very subtle implication that one could be accused of being a bigot for even bringing up the topic then again this just creates fear and anxiety.

People are probably quite similar regarding tattoos and teenagers, right? You wouldn't want your son or daughter to get a tattoo on their face, I guess. Even if kids with facial tattoos were super rare, you'd be concerned if you thought that your kids teachers were telling them all about how cool and wonderful face tattoos can be.

I understand the logic. My kid feels that they were assigned the wrong gender at birth. If we do not do something about this then there is about a 4 in 10 chance that they will commit suicide. The solution is to go to therapy, maybe start medications, maybe even get surgeries and then your child will certainly live. OK. That's a very compelling argument. How do we know it's the right argument though? Are there other ways? Is the surgery guaranteed to work? Am I even allowed to ask those questions? After all there was that big kerfuffle with Liveline and RTE because they were even debating this kind of stuff!

Your 16 year old daughter comes in from school and is talking about this surgery or that surgery. Later, your 30 year old daughter phones you up in an absolute state asking why you let her make such a massive and rash decision. Nobody wants to be in that position. What happens to people who transition as they go through their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s does this stuff affect life expectancy? Do we even know?

If that kind of fear is unfounded then fine. That's great. I think in Ireland at least we know if something feels off and there seems to be a very concentrated and very focused effort to stop you from saying that you think something feels off then maybe it's time to just slow down and have a real close look at what is actually going on.

This isn't a reasonable conversation with the homophobic dog whistles 😆

No one has requested your presence here, so you're free to leave this thread when you want.

It all comes down to "I've decided there is no risk whatsoever in removing the word 'women' from national legislation, and letting people with male genitalia into women's spaces, so none of you can think otherwise, and if you dare question any of this, I'll say you are questioning trans people's right to exist"- it's such utter, manipulative bullshit.

I said it earlier on the thread, and I'll say it again- it's about trying to make people feel deep shame for asking these perfectly legitimate questions, by calling them nasty names like terf and transphobe. In that sense, I think the TRAs have much in common with the Catholic Church of the 20th century. They want us to feel deep, burning shame for daring to say "hang on a second, can we just talk about these points in a civilised and respectful way?" Well fcuk them. I don't need "Dr" Panti Bliss dictating to me what I'm allowed to speak about.

At least he's getting ripped out of it in the replies to one of his latest moronic tweets.

There are so many people in the country who do not agree with their line of thinking, I think they're genuinely in for a shock. I'm a very liberal, progressive, straight white woman who lives in Dublin. I have complete respect for the difficulty faced by trans people in many areas. I know someone who has recently decided to transition, and I completely understand that this is a very private, sensitive choice that needs to be handled by those around them with extreme care.

But don't pretend there are absolutely zero issues with deciding that woman now means whatever people want it to mean, and encompasses all humans. Women will not take kindly to being told to STFU by men.

You can be critical of the Trans ideology, and not be a transphobe. You do realise that, right?

Its quite amazing how much power this group/community actually has in the world at present.

After all, they are a tiny tiny fraction of one percent of the worlds population, yet they have the worlds media, universities, workplaces, schools etc etc jumping through hoops and walking on eggshells for fear of offending. And their language is so complex, its hard not to offend, even when you are trying not to.

Anyone have a link to the proposed maternity bill (?)

Thanks for explaining that.

When you say:

"In other words, most of the bill is about erasing the word woman in favour of the gender-neutral term, "person" - such as "person with a cervix" etc."

What do you mean, as it looks like one "head" is about changing woman to person. Or is head 12 considered a bill in this case?

And woman is just mentioned once in Maternity Protection Act 1994?

I.e. is this the correct section that is changing?

"16.—(1) If a woman (in this section referred to as “the mother”) who has been delivered of a living child dies at any time before the expiry of the fourteenth week following the week of her confinement, the father of the child (if he is employed under a contract of employment) shall be entitled in accordance with this section to leave from his employment for a period ending as follows—"

I'm not ashamed no. It was very clearly a vile bigoted homophobic dog whistle in that post. Thanks anyway.

The only one that's upset is yourself because you can't argue a single point that they've made and so you're reduced to immature namecalling. It's a huge a backfire on your part.

A dog whistle for who?

What does that even mean "dog whistle"?