I think justice was served here.

I think what's fundamental to Irish society in general is citizens attitudes to what is scumbag behaviour and the divergence therein. I'm sure plenty of people would have no issue with them robbing the bike. Do you reckon if the bike was given back anybody would have got stabbed?

In the case of the lawyer the high court judge had legitimate concerns. by the time they went to the Court of Appeal those fears were allayed

Well no, the High Court were quite clear on why they denied bail, he was a serious flight risk and the weight of the evidence.

Those concerns weren't allayed, they still existed, what the Court of Appeal rightly ruled was his presumption of innocence and therefore his liberty had to be weighted more than the High Courts concerned, primarily because they are a basic human right.

Unfortunately what rights you are entitled to appear to be dependant on how much money you have.

But that’s not what happened. He stabbed someone who was punching him. Someone who was part to a group of around ten people, involved in attacking him and his friend.

Not someone trying to diffuse the situation.

No, not as compelling. My point was that the video and stills cannot accurately tell us the feel and intensity and reality of the situation

Witness testimony was every bit as compelling to both defense and prosecution as cctv clips/images

I know this is not what happened....

I was asking a hypothetical question.....from what I viewed as a kind of precedent being set as regards citizens using weapons when involved in altercations. It is a very dangerous area, because of exactly what I described......innocent people could get caught up in it

I was thinking the same before you posted. The whole yer home is yer castle thing came in after Nally and co didn't it? So now IMVHO that has been extended to included the defence and recovery of property. As you say, a very dangerous precedent.

And just to be clear I think yer man got what he deserved.

That whole East Wall area has become a very dangerous part of Dublin , how many other delivery workers have been attacked in that area?

Hard to know how delivery drivers still travel in some areas of Dublin .

They need the money. I don't imagine it's a well paying job and I think if people could get work that wasn't this then they would and that just makes the whole thing even worse. This is a guy doing a job that most wouldn't fancy and on top of all that he's getting attacked by little scumbags and even more on top of that he's expected to just take a beating and not defend himself.

This is a 36 year old man riding a bicycle around Dublin on a freezing cold January night delivering food in a known dangerous area. People aren't doing that unless they are pretty desperate.

He only took out the knife after the thief had made treats of their own with a knife

Then I'd be looking in the mirror for answers. How could it be that my 16 year old kid was out at 9pm on a January night as part of a gang attacking delivery drivers who are just trying to make a living? For that kids family, the answer to the question of "why" lies squarely in the lap of the parents.

Anything to avoid placing the responsibility exactly where it belongs, eh?

I even saw one article saying if it wasn't for the lockdowns he would have been playing football.

Seems like there's only two choices for young lads here. Playing football or attacking delivery drivers. No middle ground.

Maybe the kid should have been working as a delivery rider himself, earning a bit of money? Nah. Too dangerous.

He made it appear that he had. that is enough justification for me.