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Mavic ksyrium sl opinions

  • 11-06-2022 6:42pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭


    Ordered a set of these today for my rim brake canyon. I think around €800 quid which was not far off a set of hunt carbons i bought 18 months ago. Expensive for alliminium but ive heard that a good alliminium wheel is just as good as a good carbon wheel.

    They must be good if they cost that much. Shop recommended them.

    Anyone have a set please, particularly the sl model? What are they like if so?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,185 ✭✭✭G1032


    I don't think you can go too far wrong with Mavic. Have Ksyrium Elite UST myself. €390 (including tires) in 2019. They're about 70g heavier than the SL. Couldn't fault them in any way tbh. Even raced a season on them. They've been through 3 winters in the West of Ireland and still on original bearings. Absolutely bomb proof wheels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31


    Thanks. Nearly half the price of the ones i got. I wonder why there is such a gap in price between the two makes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31


    I dont know much about rim alliminium wheels so the shop recommended them. I need light sturdy wheels for the hills basically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭monkeyslayer


    Zondas Zondas Zondas, theyre perfect for climbing and they're indestructible. The price difference in those mavics is probably that 70grams



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    I bought a pair of Kysrium S a couple of months ago from Alltricks. They were 349 euro.

    They weigh in at 1570 grammes. I think, they're great. I have them on my Planet X titanium bike. They look the business.

    I was thinking of getting the SLs, but couldn't justify the cost for a weight saving of 70 grammes or so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,879 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Rode a set of SL Pro into the ground from new. Never needed a bearing just one spoke in 5 years & my weight range was 92-110kgs over that time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 907 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    I have a set of the original ones from maybe 2004 timeframe. No issues with bearings or freewheel etc but a spoke pulled the threaded hole out of the rim. Common enough issue with them - but that might only be the early ones. I suppose they owe me nothing at this stage 🙄



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,890 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    They must be good if they cost that much.

    sounds like the definition of a veblen good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,573 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    had some sl's about 2012 always thought they caught crosswinds and tended to get a bit of a wobble around 70kmh. zondas were better imho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31


    From reading about the sl`s compared to zondas and cheaper wheelsets the premium price is for a more plush ride. The zondas ive read in reviews are a very good wheelset but a harsh ride.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭nicksnikita


    A1 Wheelset.

    The brake tracks will wear quicker than the standard Ksyriums but as you’ve bought new, there’s no need to worry about that for many thousand Kms as long as you keep the brake tracks and pads fairly clean.

    I Wouldn’t be pairing them up with a 105 groupset, however, as there is a mismatch there. But that’s personal choice. You might upgrade groupset over time or just ride it as it is with the new wheels...up to you.

    You're some man for a change of mind; last week you were happy with the Aksiums 😄😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31


    I got a bike too so had a good bit of money left over. Had to spend it on something so a set of wheels made sense. The canyon cost me 950 and the wheels were 850 😁. Its 105 rim and literally a brand new bike so ill get a few years out of it and then keep it for the turbo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    850 is some price when they can be purchased online for little over 500 from the German sites...

    Great wheels but your paying way over the odds for them.

    https://www.bike24.com/p2402987.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭nicksnikita


    Top of the range wheels within a mid-range groupset.

    Not that it matters anyway - they’ll still be a big improvement on the Aksiums!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31


    Im getting them half price at 850 so its a good deal. Plus, anything wrong with them i just go directly to the shop which is better than online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    You might want to upgrade your bullsh1t radar.

    If nicksnikita is right, the difference between the cheaper Ksyriums and the expensive one is 70g of braking material on the rim; which to my mind makes it an inferior product.

    I'd love to hear the technical justification for a plusher ride



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭monkeyslayer


    Its just high end shopping really, after a certain point parts don't get much if at all any better, they just get lighter. Personally I think a set of zondas or those cheaper mavics and some carbon handle bars would've been a far better upgrade. But its all relative. Never found my zondas a harsh ride btw, they're stiff for sure but thats the point.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,890 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i bet if you cycled with your eyes closed you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between zondas and the ksyriums.

    mainly because it's hard to tell the difference between them in an ambulance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,938 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Just checking you parsed that correctly? You are paying 850, which you believe is a 50% discount from somewhere, and you were shown a link to a reputable online store with brilliant delivery and excellent returns service, where the new retail price is €516.

    Maybe I am not parsing it correctly of course!

    Unrelated, but....USTs......best of luck with that! I sent a set of new Mavic USTs back to Decathlon faster than I could park and run!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,185 ✭✭✭G1032


    How do you mean they're half price at 850? Are you saying the shop you got them in had them advertised at 1700 euro?

    Either way you've paid way over the odds but each to their own I suppose. Great wheel and they should give you trouble free riding for a long time to come. Which is more than I would say about Zondas 🙈. Rear wheel from a set I bought was nothing but trouble. That's a different story though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31


    I had a cube agree c62 2022 ordered with the ctw making up a part of the payment through a deposit. Bike got delayed so i have cancelled it and bought a cube aim pro and a set of ksyriums out of store credit from ctw. So the wheels are 850 but i have got them for 425. I got the cube aim pro for 325.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,938 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Do you remember your tales of woe with Conti GP5000s a couple of years back? Welcome to that (x2) with Mavic UST rims!

    What is this shop that's giving out Cube Aim Pros for half price? I don't need one, but fcuk it at 325 I'll take one!! 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭nicksnikita


    That may be your opinion chief but in my opinion, putting an €800 Wheelset on a €900 bike is a mismatch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31


    The bike was 650 but half price due to ctw, ie., 325. This is a genuine question, have you not get anything better to do than drag up 2 year old posts to try get a point across?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Ah that makes sense so, nice wheels and a solid upgrade to the bike in my opinion so hopefully you get them without too long a wait. Never mind the mismatch comment either as they are perfect wheels for the Canyon.

    That Cube looks like a great bike too so good luck with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭JMcL


    From my experience with Ksyriums, I wouldn't buy another set. My first entry level set were Ksyrium Equipe S I think. Go them in 2012 and had they were bulletproof until the rear rim failed when a spoke pulled through it. They were borderline not owing me anything at the point, they had about 12k on them, which is arguably a bit low, but on the other hand at the time I was probably at the upper end of their recommended weight and my local road surfaces can leave a bit to be desired.

    The set I replaced them with - mid range, not sure of the exact model - were utter pants. The rear rapidly went out of true and absolutely refused to be trued, even to the extent of being rebuilt the the wheel builder in my LBS who took it as an Ahab like challenge. I think they lasted 2 wobbly years before being consigned to the bin (well, the rear anyway, the front was ok). The big problem, and this wouldn't be just a Mavic problem in fairness, is seized nipples as they use alloy. LBS guy was against them as well as he'd seen a huge drop in quality control with Mavic in the middle of the last decade. They've hopefully improved now that they've been bought out and returned to their core business, but having been burnt, I'm very happily running on a set of DT Swiss PR 1600

    Anyway, that's my 2c, and I do have to say when the wheels were doing what they were supposed to do, they were great. Hopefully OP your experience will be better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,938 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    It's just that you told us about your woes with certain types of wheels, and you've just acquired another set of them (similar type anyway). From recent, and bitter, experience, Mavic UST tubeless rims seem to be a pain in the hoop to work with any tyres. I'm hoping you don't have to go down that road again as I recall your pain quite clearly!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    @JMcL I would choose them as well, not only because they look nicer but appear compared to Mavic to be easier to source parts across multiple big EU retailers (if you do repairs yourself, I realise many won't). Also they look nicer, not that is the most important thing. The LBS should have no issue getting them or similar in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31


    Ok cool. Yeah i had issues with gp 5000s before and tubeless. I dont do tubeless any more. I have a set of gp 4000s to go on the wheels that are practically new so ill wear them out and get something new in tubed afterwards. This bike is just for climbing and cycling like i stole it. Dropped it in today to be collected saturday, new bar tape, tune up and brakes changed around, and of course the wheels fitted. Cant wait.



  • Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I feel like I could do a thesis on your various bike set ups by now OP!!

    I have a set of Kysyrium SLs on my winter bike and really like them. Hope it works out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    I think there's a bit too much overthinking about wheels. Find the type of wheel you want i.e aero, lightweight, spend enough to make it an upgrade, job done. Ok it's a bit more involved than that but no need to worry about mismatching, get whatever the feck you want as long as it's compatible.

    If you're happy with the brand, stick with them. If not, there's so many brands so try something new.

    Regarding the Zondas, in the 6 years I've been riding on them I wouldn't say they're harsh, they're definitely stiffer compared to other wheels they replaced so nicer feel out of the saddle. No comfort issues though and very durable, they can take a hell of a beating and barely go out of true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭nicksnikita




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31


    Got the wheels today. They are class and feel very similar in weight etc to the hunt carbons I had. Bike is coming in at 7.7kg on the scale. New bar tape and brakes changed around. Happy days, just need this weather to pick up that we were told we were getting.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31


    Yep delighted, 😁




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Black and red looks nicer than the gray/blue Endurace I have.

    Looks good, nice touch with the matching saddle and bar tape.



  • Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looking good. Nice set up. They sound good too, but nothing like the hornet's nest sound you get off the Hunt free hub.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭monkeyslayer


    Nice ride. Just need some carbon wheels and bars, ever consider disc brakes? 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭nicksnikita




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,938 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Pretty sure those rims are tubeless (ready) though!

    Have a go at dismounting the GP4000 there and getting it back on to be sure before you head off on a long cycle would be my advice!

    They look nice and complement that frame well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31


    Are the 4000s a pig to get on and off? The gp 5000s were the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,938 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    You're missing the point! The tyres themselves aren't the problem, the shape of the tubeless-ready rims are the problem - for any tyre!

    GP4s and 5s are generally a doddle to slip onto normal clincher rims, but turn from Jekyll to Hyde when mounting on new generation Mavic rims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31


    Ffs, I've no luck with bikes. When I bought my defy advanced 2 2020 brand new, there was an intermittent banging noise coming from the rear hub due to crappy pr2s. Had the bike in the shop 4 times and then had to wait 6 months for a replacement wheel which ruined the new bike feel.

    Now, I think the rear hub on my kyrsiums are faulty. On the hills, when im out of the saddle putting power down, the rear hub is intermittently slipping with a ping sound. It's happening when you coast for a second and re-engage the pedal and only happened four times today out of a 2 hr cycle. Still head melting as I got them new Friday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭monkeyslayer


    Are u crossing the chain? IE. small ring little ring?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31


    No. Its on the lightest gear and smallest cog on front going uphill and I'm not changing gears. When I was going up the same hills with the mavic askiums it wasn't an issue. I might throw them back on and go on the same hills and see if it's still an issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,188 ✭✭✭cletus


    When you say it's on the "lightest gear" which of the rings on the front are you on, big or small? If the chain is on the small ring in front, and smallest cog at the back, that is cross chaining



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭letape


    Sounds to me to be an issue with the free and the pawls slipping / not engaging when climbing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭monkeyslayer


    Cant see how the pawls would make a ping sound tho, could well be tho, not arguing or anything. The ping sound sounds to me like it could be the chain slipping off a cog tooth when he's putting the power down, which happens whens its crazy slack from cross chaining or even when the drive train is brand new and the chain is stretching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭letape


    He’s not cross chaining though - he’s in the small front chainring and lightest rear sprocket



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭byrnem31


    Sorry, its on the small in front and biggest in back, the lightest gear. It's a weird sound and you can feel a slight slip in the back wheel, followed by the sound and then it's fine again for a while. Its not happening on flats or downhill when coasting, only when putting power down going uphill, particularly when out of the seat.

    Could it be the hub needs a lick of grease or something?



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