Dublin Pride ends media partnership with RTE over Liveline's Gender Identity discussion

It's is a good point though. If you are so convinced your a man, and you want to live as a man, and socially transition to be outwardly viewed as a man, then what are you doing having a baby? That's not a man thing to do is it. He could still have a genetic baby without having it himself. Like he could have donated his embro? So it seems to me he's (and I've always thought this) it's the outward superficial appearance in society of being a man that's more important to him, than it is that he actually IS a man. It's amazing how quickly he can ditch the idea of what a man is when he want's something else at the same time. Kinda interested in human psychology so shoot me.

You’re interested in psychology, so you’re probably familiar with the idea of cognitive dissonance already. You’re familiar too with how gender dysphoria can manifest itself to varying degrees and the idea of how it can really mess with a person’s perception of themselves and their environment, everything they are learning from society, such as the idea that becoming pregnant is not a man thing to do. It explains why McConnell said they felt like an alien -

McConnell, 32, started taking testosterone at 25 and had “top surgery” to remove breast tissue a year later. He considered a hysterectomy, but never went through with it – partly because he had not ruled out the possibility of having children. In the film, we see how discombobulated McConnell becomes when he stops taking testosterone as he tries to conceive, using a sperm donor, and his body, in effect, goes into reverse. He starts having periods again (“I don’t like the idea that I’ve got tampons in my bag,” he winces); his facial hair gets wispier, his hips broaden, his tummy softens and he starts to speak less from his chest and more from his throat. “Every time I think about it, I think, ‘What the **** am I doing?’” he says. At one point, a tearful McConnell sobs into the camera in the middle of the night: “I feel like a **** alien.”

It’s just not a great point in any case, because why should anyone have to do any of what’s being suggested? Up until recently, mandatory sterilisation was one of the conditions of being able to avail of sex reassignment surgery, in order to prevent people who are transgender from being able to reproduce. The choice was taken away from them, and removing that choice from them was deemed to be a violation of human rights -

https://www.lgbti-era.org/news/no-more-forced-sterilization-trans-people-europe-trans-pathologisation-remains

The issue also came up in regards to whether or not people who are transgender were legally provided for in regards to abortion legislation -

https://gcn.ie/abortion-legislation-trans-men/

The requirement being in place, and then removed, explains the statistical increase in recent years of the numbers of people who are transgender. In simple terms - the idea of mandatory sterilisation put a lot of people off the idea of being open about experiencing gender dysphoria or seeking treatment for it, or availing of surgeries if they wished to do so. The ideas aren’t ditched at all, they’re just suppressed. Some people can manage to suppress their feelings, some people aren’t so successful at being able to suppress their feelings and thoughts and emotions, and it can overwhelm them eventually.

When I talk about gender ideals being snuck in under the gay banner, I'm not talking about all the legal stuff you're on about. No doubt interesting as all that side of it is. I'm taking about, and I'm sure most people are, are alluding to gender identities being taught to children and all that stuff. That has nothing to do with legal rights. In fact, now that it occurs to me, I can't believe I'm never made that point before. Is it a trans right that schools should teach kids about trans people? No I don't think so. That's a social issue.

I know you’re not, but that’s the sort of thing that should have been part of the discussion on RTE IMO, rather than every discussion always being reduced to a bickering match or snappy quips and ‘hot takes’ in the hope of going viral on Twitter. Gender identities and all that stuff being taught to children in schools though has everything to do with legal rights, but to answer your question - schools, in Ireland at least, currently, maintain the legal right to determine their own curriculum with regard to education on social issues in accordance with the Patronage of the school.

There have been attempts to introduce legislation that would mandate children be educated in accordance with certain political beliefs in all schools which are in receipt of public funding, regardless of the characteristic spirit of the school, but those attempts haven’t amounted to much tbh -

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2021-11-16/10/

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2018/34/

That being said, at the same time - children DO have a legal right to an education which is suitable for their needs, which is not really an issue if the school is supportive of the needs of children who are transgender. Some schools are more supportive than others, and in some schools there is no support at all for children who are transgender. It’s the opposite effect -

https://gcn.ie/new-limerick-secondary-school-gender-neutral-toilets/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/uniforms-toilets-pronouns-are-schools-doing-enough-to-support-trans-students-1.4807449

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1084291/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40037663.html

These are some of the issues which could have been discussed by our publicly funded national broadcaster, if they were actually serious about having a discussion on the numerous issues involved. Instead they appear to be only interested in generating revenue from advertising by increasing their listenership with sensationalist, tabloid media style BS “debate”, as opposed to demonstrating any real interest in any discussion.

Yes on the screening page it says women.

"Women and people with a cervix between the age of 25 and 65 should go for regular cervical screening when it’s due"

I guess "people with a cervix" covers Trans Men?

Without actually saying it out loud. Or something. I dunno

By installing this kind of legislation into the statute books, it necessarily compels everyone to accept…

It doesn’t though. What it does do, is compel the State to recognise that all people are equally entitled to the protection of law.

The rest of it is just grandstanding, doesn’t actually add anything to your point. The whole purpose of the proposed legislation is to recognise that people who are transgender, are entitled to equal protection in Irish law in terms of maternity leave in employment.

Irish Law is the context in which the argument is being framed, as opposed to your philosophical considerations and your feelings based upon what you call “biological reality”.