Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

I would disagree. I can foresee a massive level of external investment into Ukraine, with a goal to secure their resources for a Western market. Quite likely to be a competition between Chinese and Western countries for those rights.

It would satisfy as a symbolic rebuke against Russia, and serve to create a powerful buffer against them, in addition to helping ensure food security for Europe.

Actually the narrative was that Russia would roll over Donbass - yet 4 weeks later and despite pouring all their reserves into it, Russia still hasn't even captured Sievierodonetsk.

Meanwhile, Ukraine has been getting closer and closer to Kherson.

That’s a fair long shot. It can’t happen unless NATO marches on Moscow and occupies all of Russia. The EU will give it some support as a candidate country but a lot of Ukraine will just be left in ruins to sort out themselves.

The Czech EU presidency put post-war recovery as a point 1 on the program...I'm sure that is a majority (but not unanimous) view in the Commission and the Council.

Priorities (europa.eu)

Yes, it will take 10+ years for Ukraine to become a member (provided Russia is neutralised).

A good report on potential approach to post-war reparations:

CF (ceasefire.org)

Freezing assets (Russian mafia federation and also oligarchs') is listed and obviously most palatable given the high likehood of RF not cooperating.

Anders Aslund suggest this should be a priority, and I agree too.

https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1537832931728797696?s=20&t=Gl5zOecpNPkvXQaCwl3-fQ

The poster was implying that post war Ukraine could be as successful as post WW2 Germany was after they had stopped being Nazi's.

I was implying that the opposite was true because the Ukraine are still glorifying their Nazi's who behaved in Mariupol in a way that the poster had accused the Russians of.

Germany was run by Nazis. It was a Nazi regime.

Ukraine is a democracy fighting to defend its freedoms against a fascist invader Russia. It will prosper once it frees itself from Russian subjugation. This is what Russia fears most.

And the USSR signed treaties with this Nazi regime to invade its neighbours.

Something its sick successor state Russia denies. It is one of its sicknesses and the opposite of what is needed in a free country. It glorifies those who were complicit with the Nazi regime and denies its enablement of it.

So denazify yourself.

See this is what is wrong with the discourse on this war. Everything that is actually attributable to the Ukrainian side is just flipped on its head and attributed to the Russians.

The Ukrainians have an openly Nazi battalion with Nazi emblems, youth camps and members who film themselves executing captured Russian Soldiers and dipping their bullets in pigs blood so that the Muslim chechen fighters they kill don't go to heaven. All in plain sight of the world.

Yet you flip it and bizarrely call the Russians Nazis despite the fact that they fight alongside Muslim soldiers and lost 20 million of their population in WW2 to people with the same Nazi belief system as those currently in positions of power within the Ukrainian Armed forces.

Its very strange logic.

But the Russians seem to think they can go into a neighbouring country without warning or provocation, deliberately inflict a trillion Euros worth of damage on that country and there be absolutely no consequences for doing it. That's not the way international law or the international order works - their actions are illegal and criminal and totally pursuable by legal means.

Marshall's Plan was a big part of Germany post-war recovery.

Germany after WW2 was completely flattened and on its knees. That's not the situation we might expect in Ukraine unless Russia starts using nuclear weapons.

We're not comparing apples to apples here.

Some sort of a mini Marshall's Plan will be needed though and both the US and the EU will contribute. There will also be significant war reparations paid by Russia.

Stalin still is a national hero in Russia BTW. Absolutely shocking.

That guy was a mass murderer responsible for dozens of millions of dead people and probably the most vile evil psychopathic dictator the world has ever seen (by stats - people enslaved or murdered)....