Dublin Pride ends media partnership with RTE over Liveline's Gender Identity discussion

They’ll be running back to RTE in good time.

this is them having a flounce because in a democracy, they didn’t like people expressing views in public not consistent with their own narrative and beliefs.

childish.

Yes. Always note the overuse of "the reality" in the T community language. This incessant incantation is required as it is so obviously NOT the reality observed by 99.99999999999% of the population. Actually I think I may have missed a '9' in there!

I'm not referring to Irish law, nor what's considered legal.

I’m well aware you’re not referring to Irish law or what’s considered legal 😂

You’re trying to apply your own standards as if they are universally accepted, when clearly, they are not. That’s why it is only what is recognised in law that matters, because it’s the law which determines anyones rights within the context of science, medicine, education and even the parameters and limitations of discussions in the public domain.

That’s the reality you appear to be unwilling to accept, or rather determined to ignore. It doesn’t matter what my personal beliefs are, I’m not atheist either for example, but that doesn’t mean that anyone who is atheist isn’t entitled to protection from unlawful discrimination. Your whole “biological reality” construct is meaningless, because it’s predicated solely upon your own perception and your determination of prescribed language, with the idea that everyone in society must adhere to your standards. It doesn’t appear to take any account whatsoever of the concept in philosophy known as metaphysical reality -

Metaphysical - Longer definition: Metaphysics is a type of philosophy or study that uses broad concepts to help define reality and our understanding of it. Metaphysical studies generally seek to explain inherent or universal elements of reality which are not easily discovered or experienced in our everyday life. As such, it is concerned with explaining the features of reality that exist beyond the physical world and our immediate senses. Metaphysics, therefore, uses logic based on the meaning of human terms, rather than on a logic tied to human sense perception of the objective world. Metaphysics might include the study of the nature of the human mind, the definition and meaning of existence, or the nature of space, time, and/or causality.

https://www.pbs.org/faithandreason/gengloss/metaph-body.html

It’s this reality where the concept of gender comes from. It’s not a physical phenomenon. It’s part of overlapping fields of study in the life sciences known as psychobiology, or behavioural neuroscience -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_neuroscience

It’s not a fallacy btw to point out the fact that precedent exists in Irish law as the basis for support of an argument. Common Law which is the basis of law in Ireland, is based upon existing precedent -

The Irish legal system is a common law system and this means that Judge-made law is an important source of law. Under the doctrine of precedent, or stare decisis, a court is bound to follow decisions in former cases, particularly decisions of higher courts. However, this is a policy and not a binding unalterable rule. This body of law includes rules, general principles, canons of construction and maxims. The doctrine of stare decisis draws a distinction between ratio decidendi, the binding part of a decision which must be followed, and obiter dictum, observations made by a judge in a case on issues which were present, or not material, in the case, or which arose in such a manner as not to require a decision. The obiter dictum is not binding in future cases but may be persuasive.

https://e-justice.europa.eu/content_member_state_law-6-ie-en.do?member=1

The precedent exists because your attempt to argue what you call “biological reality” in Irish law at the time, was found to be insufficient reasoning for the continuing failure of the State to adequately address the issues which arose out of the original case -

Judgment was reserved for nearly two years until 9 July 2002 when Mr Justice Liam McKechnie rejected Lydia Foy's challenge, stating that Foy had been born male based on medical and scientific evidence and that accordingly the registration could not be changed. He did express concern about the position of transsexuals in Ireland, however, and called on the government to urgently review the matter.

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On 19 October 2007, the court found Ireland in violation of the European Convention on Human Rights, and decided to issue the first declaration of incompatibility between Irish and European law. According to Justice Liam McKechnie, provisions of Article 8 of the Convention protecting Foy's right to respect for private life had been violated when the State failed "to provide for 'meaningful recognition' of her female identity". He also expressed frustration at the Irish government's failure to take any steps to improve the position of transsexuals following his previous judgment in 2002.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Foy

If you want an argument from a biological perspective, that’s even easier - parents whose offspring are conceived by means of the biological process known as reproduction, are the biological parents of those offspring. It doesn’t matter what anyone refers to them as, whether it’s mother, father, or in my own case my offspring who refers to me as “big diddies”. Cheeky little shìt gets no response until he refers to me in the way I prefer to be referred to as his father.

I expect the same is true of anyone, that it’s just basic manners to refer to anyone how they prefer to be referred to, without the need to pretend that this is an unreasonable expectation or unjustifiable imposition on anyone or a violation of anyone’s fundamental rights that they can’t refer to people however they like. It’s an understandable oversight allowed for when people are children, but as adults, people are generally expected to know better, unless they are cognitively impaired in some way which would explain their inability to understand that other people are entitled to the same dignity and respect that they feel they are entitled to.

Gender? No.

Sex? Yes.

It’s not a question any more though, according to men themselves, they are giving birth. You don’t agree with them. I don’t care either way.

The only thing I do care about, and you can’t accuse me of being unclear on this, is that the law recognises this reality, which it doesn’t currently recognise. You asked for an example of where people who are transgender are denied human rights, and there you have it - in terms of employment law and maternity leave, they are not even recognised in Irish law.

I know.

It was the basis of the Gender Recognition Act in 2015 -

18. (1) Where a gender recognition certificate is issued to a person the person’s gender shall from the date of that issue become for all purposes the preferred gender so that if the preferred gender is the male gender the person’s sex becomes that of a man, and if it is the female gender the person’s sex becomes that of a woman.

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2015/act/25/section/18/enacted/en/html#sec18

Just because you say something doesn't make it true, unfortunately.

"[...] you can’t accuse me of being unclear on this, is that the law recognises this reality, which it doesn’t currently recognise."

What a sentence! I think you'll find we can accuse you of being very unclear indeed ;-)

You presented what I actually said out of context in order to accuse me of being unclear though! I mean, come on like 😂

You snipped out the important part - I was speaking in the context of the only thing I care about which is that the law recognises the reality that according to themselves, men are giving birth -

It’s not a question any more though, according to men themselves, they are giving birth. You don’t agree with them. I don’t care either way.

The only thing I do care about, and you can’t accuse me of being unclear on this, is that the law recognises this reality, which it doesn’t currently recognise.

Ye all having much to do to regurgitate this shite .go out and get fresh air or play sport..