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Chaos at Dublin Airport

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  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,004 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Are the public areas and toilets clean now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You quoted it in your last post. It was in relation to acute under resourcing vs chronic over resourcing. This was the question:

    Imagine they retained all the staff (pay, holidays, pensions etc.), and covid re-emerge so there was little air travel again. You see a report about full-time security staff being paid to do no work, or even not come into work because there's no work. Do you think you would you say "God, DAA were very clever to retain all those staff on full pay when there was no work for them, just in case covid went away and things were busy again"?



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87



    COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment (PUP)

    The Government created this payment and the daa decided to let people go instead of availing. So the agency who are Government controlled decided to go it alone. This is what created the mess.

    Most companies and services went with Gov payment. Not the DAA.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/dublin-airport-passengers-left-without-luggage-for-more-than-a-week-41744050.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Pup was great when there was no work. We're talking about a time when the rest of the country was opening up, but the airline business was still slow. So those peoppe had the choice of settling for €350 a week, or getting better paying jobs elsewhere.

    In any case I've addressed your posts, you didn't answer the actual question I asked. I've asked it twice. It would be good if you'd give the question I asked a go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    Asked me what? your talking rubbish.

    I arrived at Dub about this time last year and it was a mess then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Don't worry about it. I asked a question 3 times and you didn't want to answer. Fair enough.

    But you asked what question I was referring to twice, so I assume you don't actually read the posts you quote and reply to. It shows then level of discussion you're able for and how to weigh your opinions. It's instructive, whether you intended it to be so or not.



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    I dont know what you want to know, i expect you don't know your self what your talking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,559 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I know you dont. I told you what I wanted to know in 3 posts. even posted the question twice and referenced it a third time. You quoted the question and asked "what question?". I'm not sure it's me whose confused.

    Dont worry. I don't take it as a intentional. I assume you didn't understand the question so you're not going to address it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I flew out Monday morning and it took about an hour and twenty minutes to clear security. The queue outside took about twenty minutes to get into the terminal, then another thirty to scan boarding pass and another thirty to clear screening.

    a few observations of note, all of which relate to T1:

    It was packed and all the screening lanes seemed to be open, the delay was in part due to volume of people going through, although the staff seemed to be slower than usual.

    As it is holiday season, there are a lot of stupid people going through the airport. the ones that despite being told about ninety times while queueing what to do, arrive at the belt with their coat on, belt on and toiletries still at the bottom of their suitcase. The same fuckwits then go through the metal detectors, take their belongings and leave the tray on the belt, or stand there and look at a belt full of stationary empty trays and somehow think the situation will resolve itself, rather than having the cop on to remove them and place them on the return chute.

    Dublin airport is filthy and it isn't just the volume of people. The water fountains look completely unsanitary and the urinals in the gents have a think layer of dust on the top. This seems to be a case of they haven't been cleaned in days, let alone hours.

    There seems to be a lot of things at the airport not working. one of the entrance barriers at the car park, an automatic door by the boarding gates, things like that. The the place just seems to have been completely neglected for a couple of years . T1 was starting to look a while back good and they seemed to be making a reasonable job of polishing a turd, but it seems they have now stopped and the turd is returning to its original form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Will be going on an international flight next week, how are conditions at T2? Are they as bad as T1?



  • Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    @[Deleted User] YES. A LOT of Stupid people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,608 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Many years ago I came to the conclusion that you should suspend all critical facilities the moment you enter an airport.

    You should not rely on anybody except yourself.

    You will be lied to and treated like a fool.

    Resistance is futile, just go with the flow 🙂.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,663 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    "Do you have any liquids?"

    Attractive well-tanned girl waits a good five seconds, then shakes her head.

    Yep, this bag will be coming back for a second scan once they find the cosmetics at the bottom....

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There is a large bin just before you enter the terminal. That is where you dump your civil rights until you exit at the other end. How people fail to realise this is beyond me.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    5 minutes and done through security in T1 at 10.00 this morning. Even with a random bag swab



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Okay, Dublin airport is a shambles. on the tarmac for 3 hours because there are no ground crew to bring the tow bar to the plane to push back. Pilot saying he’s not being told anything and he’s got our destination airport manager to call Dublin airport to ask what the hell is going on.

    a ton of Americans who’ll miss their connection. The ones behind me saying they’ll never come to Ireland again

    a really shocking state of affairs. DAA have sorted the queues but nothing else seemingly





  • That irritates the life out of me. People not prepared at the security gates. If people could forgo their stupidity and have the cop on to organise their things as they approach tray collection that would solve a lot of the flow issues.

    There almost needs to be an educational piece blaring repeatedly when in the queue



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,530 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Always have my stuff sorted, liquids, belt in bag, coins, jacket off etc, ready to fire into the crates. Bish, bosh, bang, minimum of fcuking about and I'm through security like sh1t from a goose.

    Can't understand people not ready for this, as if they never took a flight in their lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,608 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    When you are flying regularly it becomes like second nature and you get it down to a fine art.

    Problem is you are only one in the middle of a lot of messers.

    To be fair a lot of them are only off for the holidays once or twice a year and are just keen to get to that beach so they haven't given a lot of thought to the actual airport/flight.

    Agree with a bit more information while in the queue, couldn't do any harm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    I travel quite a bit and even though the people in front sometimes the security belt dictates everything, there is the odd person who forgets something but not the norm in my experience as there are advisors telling what needs doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    The DAA are not responsible for aircraft pushbacks. The contracted ground handling agent is…

    ramp jobs require months training per employee. Unfortunately I’m guessing the handling agent didnt predict the surge… which knowing the way a couple of them are run from the top, no surprise in the slightest ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭dollylama


    What time would I need to be arriving Monday evening for a 19.50 flight out with Ryanair?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭orionm_73


    Is that not an airline or handling agent issue? Nothing to do with the DAA, they don’t provide ground crew and tow bars. But still crazy and beyond frustrating that it meant a 3hr delay. What airline was that?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    There seems to be a lot of guessing going on, i think the buck stops with DAA on this one as i expect they choose the agent, if not who does or can they come and go as they please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭orionm_73



    The airline would choose the handling agent, not the DAA. The buck stops with the agent. But margins are razor thin because airlines insist on lower costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I have been through airport security 50-60 times, I think I have only set the alarm off once (that wasnt the random search).

    Some of the shite I have seen in security queues is unreal. Women who do absolutely no research whatsoever or don't seem to think the rules apply to them specifically, just coz. I see a make up artist trying to bring her entire suitcase full of kit on through security before. Or people with massive bottles of water in their bags. And yes, it is usually women.

    You have elderly people acting the maggot too. Especially at the boarding pass gate. Holding up the queues to make sure Mary didn't get decapitated by the gates or arrested by security. Just scan your code and walk through.

    Also at the luggage check in with bags, there's usually somebody giving out because she didn't read the rules. 20-30 kilo suitcases when they only paid for 10kilos.

    We need a male only terminal.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Airline wouldn’t choose the agent, surely. This was icelandair. Hardly going to have their own team at Dublin airport for the one flight a day. Issue was a tow bar for a 757 and no one available at Dublin airport to go get if and then push the plane back. 3 hours! Maybe it’s Dublin airport then, not the DAA. But a shambles nonetheless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭-=al=-


    I had the lady in front of me bring her phone through the metal detectors the last time I went through security. She was not a happy camper having to go back and pop it in a tray to go through. You can tell by the way folks are acting who’s gona be hassle going through and who to avoid



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭orionm_73


    You’re right, most airlines don’t have their own teams for ground handling, particularly at outstations, so they use agents like Swissport etc. Icelandair use SkyHandlingPartner. It’s their responsibility to provide the tow bars and other equipment., not the DAA or Dublin airport. As much of a shambles as it was ( waiting that long for a tow at is just madness) it was nothing to do with the DAA. SHP have to own that mess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I went through the Airport recently for a trip. It was mad busy but thought the queues for security moved fairly quickly.

    The security staff seemed to be mostly quite young and inexperienced which wasn't nessecarily a bad thing as I thought they were nicer and more helpful than the previous staff whom it seemed were on a bit of a power trip and liked to bark orders at passengers. Also I was stopped by a member of security staff walking towards towards the gates who performed a random search. Never seen this before beyond security at any airport I've been in. What's the purpose of these additional searches is security not enough?

    Unfortunately the airport seemed very dirty especially the toilets which were filthy and some didn't even have toilet as I had the misfortune of finding I didn't see too many cleaners about.

    Post edited by mikeybhoy on


  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    This is one for our 2 Ministers of transport who apart from one day in the last 6 months is going on have being missing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    I wish people would stop embellishing their posts with "what about the children" "think of the tourists" "what about the vulnerable" or as in above post "the Americans said they'd never come back"

    BULLSH1T absolute and utter BULLSH1T

    Why? - because Americans are used to overbooked flights, being bumped off flights and plenty of chaos in their airports for decades. On top of that, weather and staff absenteeism is currently causing 10,000+ US flights to be cancelled in the past week and it is near certain that US issues were the primary cause of the above flight.

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2022/06/17/logan-airport-passengers-barraged-by-delays-cancellations/

    NYC was equally affected as was Miami & Chicago.


    But americans saying they won't visit due to a couple of hours flight delay - pull the other one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    Dublin Airport is an International embarrisment and 3 other Airports doing very little business. Our transport Ministers need to sort this out. It was caused by bad managment and thats the facts of DA.

    What goes on in America nothing to do with this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    The airline chooses the handling agent of their choice. What would the DAA have so do with it ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    So you seem to know what happened tell the customers, the DAA should clarify if they are in charge of the running of the Airport, it may be it has been clarified and i missed it only what is said here. People seem to go missing, Ministers Management need to explain whats going on. I read here that the pilot had to contact the arrive airport to get info. how can that happen.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The pilot apparently told the passengers that there wasn’t handlers to push the plane back, handlers contracted to the airline, not Dublin Airport. DAA are in charge of the airport, not the handlers used by airlines.



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    What acctually happened, apparently the pilot not accecptable explaination? DAA must know what happened. Apparently Dublin Airport a joke



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If you are referring to the the issue with a delay caused by the handling agent not pushing the plane back, the pilot is the conduit between the people responsible for the handling agent ie the airline, and the customers on the plane who need an explanation. DAA are not in that loop, so why you are blaming DAA for either the delay, or the lack of clarity/explanation, is a mystery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Tell the customers ? No, I’m not being employed or paid to, but thanks for the job offer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    I am not blaming anyone just asking, if not the DAA who responcibility is it. Surelu Airport should say who or do they not know.



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    You were defending what happened so i thought you had the info.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If the airline employ the handlers, then the buck stops with them I would have thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,834 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Informing, as to what was incorrect in your post… so that to you suggests I ought to be informing customers ? Some leap there. You are being less then rational as relates to this discussion im afraid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87


    The simple fact is there was a plane sitting on the tarmac at Dublin Airport and no-one knows why, some set-up.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Woody22 posted the reason why, the pilot told the passengers it was because there was no ground crew to push the plane back. Handlers are employed by the Airline, not DAA, they are private contractors.

    Swissport provide ramp handling for Icelandair apparently.

    https://www.icelandaircargo.com/network/gsa-gha/europe/detail/item443716/

    https://www.swissport.com/en



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭davetherave


    You don't seem to be understanding it, or you are choosing not to understand it.


    At Dublin Airport if you are on an Aer Lingus flight then the ground crew are Aer Lingus employees, if you are on a Ryanair flight then the ground crew are Ryanair employees. IcelandAir only have one arrival and one departure per day so it would not be economical for them to have their own employees, their own steps, their own luggage carts, their own tugs and so on. Instead they contract a ground handling group who does all of that for them. IcelandAirs ground handling agent at Dublin Airport is a company called "Sky Handling Partner". What that means is that it is not an employee of the DAA, or Dublin Airport, or IcelandAir who is checking you in, or scanning your ticket at the gate, or putting your bag from the cart into the aircraft, or moving the steps into position to let people get on and off the aircraft. It is someone who is getting paid by Sky Handling Partner.



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭asdfg87



    Its the first time i was made aware of that thanks.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭FantasyFool


    Im sure its been mentioned before but the toilets in arrivals are absolutely disgusting. Urinals full to the brim, bins overloaded with all sorts, toilets mostly without seats and some after complete Arse-mageddon. Horrible horrible place!



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