Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

You get very upset when confronted with truth. Not one part of my post was a lie.

And the Wagner Group are not Nazis no matter what you read in your always biased sources. The only "proof" of this lie is apparently doctored photos of their founder with Nazi tattoo's. If you can find any primary evidence of Utkin saying anything Nazi like please provide it. If not its just another one of your unproven angry ramblings masquerading as facts.

Most of the 20 million of Russia's war dead were executions by the Bolsheviks you say? What crazy history book did you read that in?

You do know people can check up on what you write don't you? If you are referring to the purges that was before Germany invaded Russia.

80% of the deaths in the war were attributable to the German/Ukrainian Nazi forces with the rest mainly due to famine. Its all there on the internet for people to check up on.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union

You have to "asked" to provide sources. Go back over the last few posts of Russian propaganda you have put up, where are the sources?

Your lies about the Budapest agreement were shown up.

That the Wagner Group contains Neo Nazis has been established.

That anyone could come onto this thread and fake concern about Nazis in Ukraine in light of that is abhorrent. Putin has even moved on from the whole denazification lies because even as propaganda it was such an obvious lie. Russia isn't there because of fake concern about Nazis. Russia is there to take Ukranian land, resources and people because it still acts like a 1930s gangster fascist dictatorship.

You have no credibility.

The Chief Rabbi leaves for fear of persecution.

In what country?

Nope not Ukraine. Russia.

Civilians being executed by invaders.

By Russia.

Which country is a fascist dictatorship and which is a democracy?

Russia.

Which is a democracy?

Ukraine.

The country whose present day actions most echo that of the Nazis is Russia.

Who are the successors of the Nazis?

Nope not Ukraine. Russia.

Russia denazify yourself.

None of your posts today contain any sources. You provide no Western source which state that Ukraine violated the Budapest agreement.

I post in bold because it makes it even more obvious when you are unable to respond to facts when your lies are challenged.

And just as your lies about Nazis have backfired on you so have your lies about Budapest.

Russia deploys Neo Nazis to Ukraine. Established fact.

Russia persecutes its Chief Rabbi. Established fact.

Russia needs to denazify itself.

Your posted an irrelevent document only Stalinists would pay any heed to about what a Ukranian state soviet did. Before Ukraine was a country.

And even if you are the type who cares about the actions of a state soviet, the constitution of the USSR allowed any state to leave it freely, without condition.

ARTICLE 17. To every Union Republic is reserved the right freely to secede from the U.S.S.R.

Of course they were lying then in their murderous communist dictatorship just as a murderous fascist dictatorship running Russia lies today.

The Budapest agreement was violated by Russia not Ukraine.

What clause of the Budapest agreement was violated by Ukraine?

It was your claim. Specific clause. By what action of Ukraine was it violated.

The world knows who violated Budapest - Russia, when it invaded Crimea.

Your lies can't conceal the crimes of Russia and its Nazis.

They are literally called the "Wagner group" because Wagner was Hitler's favourite composer.

Are you unaware of Hitler's connection to the Nazi party?

(Although it would explain several matters if so...)

Wagner is many peoples favourite composer. Its Wagner, the legendary composer who died 70 years before the 3rd Reich existed. You are allowed to like Wagner and not be a Nazi. Why? Because Wagner wasn't a Nazi.

By your logic all Beatles fans are Charles Manson followers because Charles Manson liked the Beatles.

Mother of God. The mental gymnastics you people are all putting yourselves through in order to prove that the Nazi's (who proudly and openly admit that they are Nazi's) aren't actually Nazi's. No. But the people who hate Nazis more than any other group in the world (bar the Jewish community) and are currently in a war to "denazify" these admitted Nazi's...they are the actual Nazi's.

The cognitive dissonance in these logistical leaps you are all engaged in is off the charts. Even the press don't call the Russians Nazi's.

And your description of Nazism is way off. You basically just made up your own definition of Nazism to fit your argument. Here is the description used in Wikipedia.

"Nazism is a form of fascism with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system. It incorporates fervent antisemitism, anti-communism, scientific racism, and the use of eugenics into its creed. "

Russia has a parliament and is a liberal democracy despite what you've been brainwashed into thinking for the last 20 years. No doubt you all disagree. But what you cannot say is that Russia is Anti Semitic, anti communist or scientifically racist. It has never claimed to be a higher form of being to any other race.

Russias chief rabbi leaves out of fear of his life.

Russia deploys neo nazis to brutalise the people of Ukraine.

Holocaust survivors die at Russias hands.

This is not a country concerned about nazis in Ukraine in any real way or their concern would be to protect Jews and distance themselves from neo nazi symbolism. Putin and Lavrov admitted this is a land grab and recolonisation of Ukraine.

Russias parliament is a joke with no powers. A talking shop for Putins stooges.

Putin an unaccountable fascist dictator who has plundered Russia of huge sums. Whose political opponents disappear or are jailed or die or flee.

Russia a liberal democracy?

You have to be far detached from reality and truth to think that.

Nobody belives this propaganda except those already brainwashed by it.

The country whose actions today are most like that of the Nazis is Russia.

Russia denazify yourself if you want to denazify anywhere.

Not anti-Semitic?!

Funny how the head Russian Rabbi is now on the run having been chased out of Russia for his lack of support for the war.

A liberal democracy!?

Not "scientifically" racist?

Tell me how many mosques there are in Moscow again? And how many in Kyiv?

Let's see what evidence you can provide to support your assertions on this non-racist, non-antisemitic, liberal democracy of yours.

Read it again - I said it was a combination of starvation, genocide by the Bolsheviks and being used as a cannon fodder of the Red Army. That's the reality. You can spout all sorts of nonsense here but you won't change it.

Russia being liberal democracy is the joke of the day 🤣😂😜

I mean, there's nothing to add here really...

Looks like you did a lot of research there and went down your echo chamber rabbit hole to unearth a lot of facts but you have no links to evidence that the Wagner Group or any of its alleged members are Nazi's.

You've made a somewhat snobbish assumption that because Utkin came from a poor uneducated background he wouldn't be into classical music. And if he was why wasn't it a Russian composer. All your own assumptions to fit your argument. Not facts.

Your eyes then lit up when you stumbled across references to the Rusich group within Wagner, most probably gleened from pro western sites of the radio free europe ilk backed up with open source intelligence "evidence" of members with tattoos. That is not evidence.

The entire Wagner group are Nazis narrative is based on one obviously doctored photo "unearthed" in 2020 of Utkin with SS tattoos. One. No speeches. No criminal records. No official emblems. No photos with other prominent neo Nazis. Nothing. You are attempting to equate them to the Asov battalion with one photo and a nom De guerre of a composer Hitler also happened to like. That's all you have. Wouldn't hold up in court would it?

Assumptions gleened from the Chinese whispers of pro western think tanks and publications with agenda's to make people like you falsely feel confident that you have the proof to back up your claims. You have no real proof and deep down you know you don't.

Now that's what I call fascism. Unironically Putinesque.

"it's a waste of time engaging with if they persist spouting delusions/conspiracies after being replied to with facts."

Name one example of this if you can please.