Dole 'summer bonus' .. are they for real?

"Virtue signalling" 🤣

Have you filled your bingo card yet?

The thing that's troubling you is that you and your red-faced fellow-travelers had to swallow actual facts on this thread and it upsets you.

You kept on circling back with gammon nonense and got repeatedly clobbered over the head with the data and statistics that revealed you were talking pony.

Community employment isn't unemployment. The clue is in the name. You may not respect the work that the people do on those schemes, but they are working.

I've known people that worked in childcare on such schemes, a clear benefit to their community. Not that you give a sh*t about that.

I don't feel insulted in the least.

Do you think women choose to have children to get a house? God help you. That could only come from a miserable mind.

Absolutely miserable.

Housing lists are 8 or 9 years long. If you think women have children for the council house you need to talk to a professional.

The only thing that's rampant is your misogyny (and I don't say that lightly)

The fact that when you see any woman with a young child and your brain actually thinks she did that for the council house is textbook misogyny.

For your own sake, you should own your misogyny and talk to someone about it.

I mean that. Life doesn't have to be this way for you.

The fact you think *any* woman decides to have a child to 'work the system' not even to mention you actually think it's rampant, makes you a person engaged in classic misogyny.

? I don't feel attacked, never have on this thread. I am however content to call things by their name.

I'll repeat, life doesn't have to be this way for you. Another way is possible for you, but you have to seek it out. I wish you the best.

You know what it means. It means that a life of hatred and curtain-twitching conspiracy about women's fertility choices doesn't have to be your future.

Don't you worry about my IQ dearest, I do just fine in life. You'd be far better served taking a look within yourself and what's driving your engagement with misogyny.

I think everyone reading this knows you're not doing fine.

Best of luck, you may need it with the way you see life.

Where is Tonto?

Don't do PMs nor insults. But, you're content to call strangers wasters and engage in misogyny about women's choices, and then without irony spit the dummy about standard robust exchange.

I'll say it again, a different life possible for you.

Threads about the dole, welfare and single mothers are lightning rods for some of the biggest cranks, and frankly awful people on boards.

It's been my pleasure seeing to them on this thread. This may surprise you, but my heart never skipped a beat while posting on this thread. I could however feel the veins popping from the people replying.

If this thread has a lesson that should be taken by the gouger / trampoline conspiracy theory front, it's that the stats don't lie - they are for the most part, completely spouting the proverbial - and that going forward, dole threads will see them routed. And it's not past time, and it's not just me - people are sick of these threads stinking out the forum.

Ah but here's the rub Monke, the cranks open up with their extreme positions of "this problem of gougers is out of control, hundreds of thousands of them, put them all out picking stones" (something that was said in this thread as it happens) and when the actual reality is presented to them (the 7k fact for instance), like a child rejecting a spoon of cod liver oil, they throw a tantrum.

I'm not here representing any extreme position that fraudsters or indolents don't exist in the system, merely furnishing the facts. The more you furnish the raw reality, the angrier the cranks become and scramble to deepen their engagement with their conspiracy. Which at the heart of it all, is fuelled by misery, misdirected anger and bitterness.

Posters like that are not to be respected, and they wont be getting my respect any time soon. And I'm not alone in that.

At no stage ever did I ever say there was zero fraud, or indeed zero people on the dole long term. I don't allow people put words in my mouth, particularly when I was crystal clear on the stats I was presenting.

What was enraging to the posters were the data and the facts. When put under their nose, what came back was bar-stool anecdotes about Cynthia and Packie down the road and women having babies to present to the council for houses.

That's gunge, you know it's gunge, and if there are to be dole threads (they're always the pits) here's a a radical idea: we start trading in facts that are verifiable instead of gammon anecdotes that we know aren't even ten percent true?

We know why there's resistance to having a thread on that basis, because there are posters absolutely determined to peddle a miserable world view that has nothing to do with reality, and actually says more about them than the fantasy-land army of "scroungers" that they desperately want to be true, but actually doesn't exist. They're out there, but they are of such small number that one must wonder do they realise it's the equivilant to barking at the moon.

As long as there is a market economy there will be long term unemployment of some sort or another, in good times and bad, in every country one cares to name. The facts are in and are on record in the thread, Ireland no more has a problem with long term unemployment than any other peer country in Europe, and that unemployment where it does exist, is a structural issue that actually has little to do with mass indolence that Thatcherites think is spreading like a virus in communities.