January 6 Public Hearings

When I see posts like this I know you have absolutely no rebuttal to the points raised in previous posts.

Just because Liz Cheney is on the committee, doesn't mean anyone acknowledging the testimony and evidence produced during the hearings is defending the legacy of Dick Cheney.

But go ahead and keep making ridiculous non-sensical arguments to try and distract from witness testimony of Pence's own legal experts and Republican judges and constitutional experts. It just continues to show you have nothing of substance to argue on.

I'd quite like to hear more about the Republicans who sought out pardens after the fact. That in itself is an admission of guilt.

I've been traveling and not had an opportunity to listen, but have they expounded on the revelation that Pence was the acting President during the coup?

The ghost of Richard Nixon must be crying that social media didn't exist in the early 70s to endlessly equivocate over the Watergate scandal. He probably wouldn't even have had to get out of bed to go on TV and apologise if it were the same standard of accountability back then as now.

Anyway, to say what about this or that thing undertaken by past U.S. administrations misses the point. One should be happy any time people are held to account, and not fall into the cynical trap of if this person was not held accountable or not given enough of a grilling, then why should anyone? That's a slippery slope down to hell.

Here's Trump saying, and I quote, "...the only way we're gonna lose this election is if the election is rigged. Remember that..." A U.S. president who undermined the principal of consent by saying to his supporters that fraud should be the conclusion that is jumped to if he loses. Not even having a legal team on standby to look into the results as they came in and then say there could be fraud at play. No. No due process. He knew what he was doing. He was sowing that seed. And that's even before he actually lost, and continued to claim fraud. Before every legal challenge brought to the court was basically thrown out, and yet still continued to claim fraud. And then he went to the US Capitol and continued to claim fraud with no basis. Stirring up a group of angry supporters and letting them go down to the Capitol building. Again, he knew what he was doing. And then he sat there in the White House watching it on TV and according to testimony against him, wasn't even that upset by the people chanting, 'hang Mike Pence'. There has never been behaviour like that from a sitting U.S. president or candidate in modern times. When they lose an election, they ultimately accept it, even if it takes court procedures to do so. Not only did Trump not accept it then, but he doesn't accept it now. For all he's done to fundamentally stoke divisions in the United States and faith in the democratic procedures, especially leading up to and on Jan 6th, a full and frank time line of that day must be established, and a minute by minute account of the actions of everyone linked to the day, if only for posterity.