Cork GAA Discussion Thread

maybe i saw the game diffrent as a netrual but some of the calls today made little sense , tim o'mahoney in the full forward line and one of the most accurate free takers in the game on the bench made no sense

galway playing a 2 man full forward line in the second half and cork persisting in keeping all 6 players back , this added with the fact they had another 7 players in between both 65,s and one man double marked up front when they were chasing the game

if horgan had started cork would have won , his frees would have kept cork ticking over , duggan for clare has been fairly poor for clare since the game against ye a month ago but he's frees saved us today as we were well off the pace for most of the game , he kept us in it

dont ever worry about the next day , today was down to management i dont care , hit your frees keep yourself in the game dont put a fine center back in corner forward and chance your arm ,

on a plus for cork robbie flynn , luke meade , joyce at 6 and fitzgibbon were really good , Galway's physicality did help them in the second half though

I think there's another few years still left in Hoggie. He owes Cork nothing at this stage though. No team wins an all Ireland without a solid defence, so that's an area Cork need to improve on going forward.

You could have a point there, but i felt that Galway were on the slide from their 2017 form that year to be honest.

There's a lot of comment here about the Cork management, most of which is accurate and warranted. However, its the players that are ultimately costing us. There is no spine to this team, and by that I mean we don't have dominant leader players in the key positions of 1, 3, 6, 8, 9, 11 & 14. That is what is ultimately costing us time and time again. No management will sort that, it's up to the players themselves to nail those positions down and show real leadership. Look at the last AI winning Cork team in those positions, Donal Og, Sully, Curran, Tom & Jerry, Niall Mc & Brian Corcoran. All leaders. The issue with the current team is that most of the best players are wing/corner players. Perhaps Chris Joyce will become a top no. 6, and Fitzgibbon can be dominant at 8 but outside of that we're lacking leadership in the key positions. It's costing us time and time again.

What's the definition of a leader then? Don't know a lot about either of the names you mention but my understanding is that Roy Keane failed largely when in leadership roles as a manager and is now nearly unemployable in that area as a result. Would be interesting to see leadership discussed in that context. It doesn't sound like an ideal template for Cork hurling but maybe I'm missing something.

You seemed to have changed the narrative from leaders on the pitch to management? Not sure you have a grasp of ideology at all.

Padraig Mannion. Cathal Mannion.

Padraig is a leader. Shouting/barking orders/calling players aside during breaks in play to tinker with positional issues. Giving players a shoe in the hole when needed.

Cathal Mannion is a quiet unassuming man who wouldn't say boo to a child. Doesn't make him any less of a player simply just his nature. Leaders on the pitch are common place in any team sport. Anyone who thinks it's just a buzz word I would wonder have they ever stepped on a pitch? Maybe you have..

? It has to so with your understanding or lack thereof of the term "leaders on a pitch" which you seem to question the validity of. In my opinion someone who played a team sport regularly would have no problem understanding the importance of leaders on a pitch.

From the Cork fans responses here it would seem they are lacking them. Nature of the beast. Some are born leaders. Some not. A trait not easily acquired or coached.

I notice in this original commentary the poster says that most of the best players are wing/corner players (not "key positions" apparently) . Sounds suspiciously like an idea that best players and 'leaders' are in fact the same thing. I'm reading it wrong no doubt.

Donegal really making Cork sweat in the closing minutes, cork's lead down to 3