Dublin Pride ends media partnership with RTE over Liveline's Gender Identity discussion

I was referring to the vocal minority including @Annasopra whom you seem to agree with, even when she's throwing around insults giving the rest a bad name.

Seems a bit one-sided, but ok 👍

Your latter point in that post just contradicts with what you are after saying. Is that not an analogy to what's happening right now? If your opinion differs you are immediately cancelled. Can you not see what we are all trying to say here?

No, it’s not an analogy to what’s happening right now, because nobody, nobody has been persecuted by the State for expressing their opinions on these issues. My opinion differs quite substantially from the majority of posters here, do I look like I’ve been cancelled? Do I fcuk! 😂

So by your logic we should all just accept these new proposals and it doesn't matter who it effects? Unfortunately that's not how it works. If we don't have discussions about relevant issues including the Maternity Protection Act 1994 , how are people meant to be educated. You'd be surprised how many don't understand and therefore ignorant to the fact. In some ways its a very complex issue. You've already seen the reaction first hand in this thread

That’s not MY logic, that’s entirely you, putting what I said through your own logic machine. I’m not responsible for your output. I’m well aware how legislative process and public consultation works, though it does appear a few people here aren’t, and then there are people here whom I know for a fact know how the legislative process and public consultation works, and they’re pretending they’re ignorant. I’m never surprised by the way some people behave when confronted with a reality that is inconsistent with everything they believe to be true.

There’s nothing complex about regarding other people as your equal. Some people need to argue that it is in order to justify discrimination and prejudice against other people, but they’re forgetting the fact that they’re relying on man-made laws, which don’t exist in the natural world, to justify their behaviour towards other people.

The reaction in this particular thread is nothing compared to anyone given a national platform like the State broadcaster, from which to spout their ignorant opinions about other groups in Irish society, imagining that people can be compelled to take them seriously under threat of their being in a majority who can overpower the minority.

That’s not a Democracy, it’s an Ochlocracy -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mob_rule

The people who are calling for a debate, are generally the people who want to stop people moving forward, they want to pretend that this is new, when people who are transgender have always been part of Irish society - it was just that prior to the Gender Recognition Act in 2015, they had no legal recognition in Irish law.

But you believe that, correct? Which is why I stated it was your logic as you can't speak for everyone and is a pretty damning accusation.

Yes, I do.

Don’t act like you’re insulted either, I know you’re thicker-skinned than that.

I didn’t need to know at all, like in all fairness you’ve always been open about your objections to progressive leftist politics. What I said earlier was never directed at you personally in any case, and here it is again just for clarity sake -

The people who are calling for a debate, are generally the people who want to stop people moving forward, they want to pretend that this is new, when people who are transgender have always been part of Irish society - it was just that prior to the Gender Recognition Act in 2015, they had no legal recognition in Irish law.

You’re hardly going to pretend that you’re not aware of people who are calling for a debate on the gender recognition act, that’s existed in Irish legislation for the last 7 years, and all it does is recognise that everyone has a right to their gender identity. That’s it. It doesn’t give anyone anything extra or special treatment or anything else. They’re still subject to all other legislation, such as the provisions currently contained in the Maternity Act.

Again, people calling for debate, on something which just doesn’t require a debate, it’s extending existing protection to all employees who become pregnant. It’s not writing women out of Irish legislation or anything else. That’s just complete nonsense. Why does anyone have to debate that? People can if they want, but using the State broadcaster to do it? They can fcuk off 😂

Just to be clear about what I was responding to. I wasn’t responding to you telling me what I said was an insult to people who do engage in debate. I was responding to your asking me if holding people back is why I think you’re engaging in debates.

Goodness knows how many threads you’ve started on these and related topics already, so when you suggested that if I must know, I wasn’t giving you some smarmy answer like “I didn’t need to know all that” and then cutting you off. I explained why I didn’t need to know all that, which you left out -

I didn’t need to know at all, like in all fairness you’ve always been open about your objections to progressive leftist politics.

It’s not the first time you’ve done it either, you did it already by selectively cutting the bit out of my post to present it in such a way as it seemed like I was supporting your opinions. If you want a debate, at least make it a fcuking honest one and behave with some degree of integrity.

Why would there be any need to discuss the social aspects of people being regarded in Irish law as equals? That was the whole point and purpose of the GRA. Prior to the GRA, there was no protection for people who are transgender, and they could be discriminated against. Now, people can’t subject them to discrimination. There’s no legal precedent in Irish law for crimes against fashion 🤨

This makes no sense. Are you saying that everytime the Oireachtas decides on a law the people must have a debate beforehand to agree on whether the Oireachtas can decide on the law?

That's nothing to do with the point I was discussing with Allforit.

The entire raison d'etre of this discussion is because some people do not want the maternity legislation amended.

The central problem is trans activists trying to shut down debate on a radio station about matters that impact women.

It only took 29 pages but we're finally there. @Annasopra I finally found a comment I can agree with you on but that probably won't last long once you elaborate on it and is only part of the issue. @eskimohunt summed it up in one line and you need to look at the wider picture from their POV

I agree completely, it's mad, but there you go, that's what happens: Caitlyn Jenner was only a woman for a year, maybe not that, when she got a Woman of the Year award - what a intense amount of "womanning" Caitlyn must have achieved in that sort time! Puts the rest of us to shame so it does.

Similarly, Pip/Philip Bunce who became a director at Credit Suisse in London as a man now (once the career thing is a success) goes to work as a woman for three days a week, dressed in fishnet tights that would probably get me or you called into the boss's office to tell us to dress correctly, and was nominated for "Business woman of the year" on the strength of that.

When women authors write under male names, they get published more easily than as women. Book publishing is now a majority female occupation, but only at the lower levels - those in charge are still male. Even though more women read than men, male writers get more attention from publishers.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/feb/04/research-male-writers-dominate-books-world

I asked a question of Allforit - not you