Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

“How that [ND: Russian] constitution is circumvented” is completely germane to Russia’s wars of aggression, and to the topic of this thread.

You’re hardly going to gain debating engagement from others if making a semantic point, not only futile but utterly redundant in the context of both reality and this serious political thread, is “all you care about”.

Because that shows you to be either petty or disingenuous, and so in neither case worth engaging with.

Precisely Yurt.

What is freedom and what is licence.

"Freedom is not license" means that just because we have freedom does not mean that we can do whatever we want whenever we want. Human freedom is limited. When people do whatever they want by disregarding God's law, their own good, or the rights of others, evil results.

The above is a quote but the ethics is the same. If you value freedom of expression you have a duty to protect it.

That duty is to respect and value truth, if you are a lazy repeater of lies then expect to be called a liar. If you don't, the ethically there is no issue with censoring liars or fools because the harm they do can result in things like homophobia to the criminalisation certain sexual partnerships, or lies about denazifing a country to illegal invasion and eventually the rape of babies or ethnic cleansing.

I'm sure if you look up the USSR constitution under Stalin it proclaimed all sorts of liberal freedoms, and maybe even North Korea's does the same. But these countries and many other authoritarian and totalitarian hell-holes may have democratic and liberal forms but these forms belie reality. Talk about the tribute that vice pays to virtue.

I'm sure Mr Navalny could enlighten you on the difference between what is proclaimed in a constitution and what things are like in reality.

To paraphrase Darth Putin, if Russia has denied it it must be true.

What was the lie about the Moskva? It 'caught fire' accidentally (readers we did not intend to be struck by missile therefore it happened accidentally), then sank in a storm (readers there was no storm).

Their war on Ukraine also represents a war on truth.

The only saving grace has been that, just like their failures on the military front, their propaganda lies are so obvious, inept, unbelievably and laughably untrue.

"neither liberal nor democratic nor a party"

They'll go far in the Empire.

I mean, I could call myself the world's strongest man.

By the logic of some, because that is my description, it's automatically true.

One strange "Liberal" party there, with symbol of some sort of bird of prey stooping over several countries, that if I'm not mistaken in my geography, are in fact "Not Russia"! Not fash-y at all - no sir!

No certainly not all - just the Bayraktar.

Various suggestions that it's a commercial Chinese uav:

Mixed news today. Mostly good news, but Ukrainian army facing a setback in Lysychansk.

Not looking good here:

Minimum progress here and Russians are digging themselves down to defensive positions:

Now this one is basically a behaviour of an occupation force (not "liberation force"):