Rory McIlroy - 4 Time Major Winner

Absolutely agree with that last paragraph. There's isn't really a job description for "caddy". Harry could be the best in the world for all we know. Who says it requires years of serving your time before you're a good caddy ? Is Greller a good caddy ? Spieth has done ok with him. Was Steve Williams a good caddy or lucky to be with Tiger and Scott ? I guess the counter to that is Van de Velde would have an Open if he'd had a good caddy (or would he ?). The great caddy might be the unknown guy saving the equally unknown fella ranked 115th, a shot here or there so he keeps his card.

Of course players who win are going to praise the caddy, they're hardly going to stand there and say ".... well he carried the bag I suppose, but the golf shots were all me and this victory is mine...." at least they won't if they ever want to trust a yardage again.

Meh, I dunno, I think the caddy issue with Rory is a bit of a red herring personally. A caddy doesn't have to be the best in the world, he just has to be the best in the world for his player, and different players will want and be happy with different things. Maybe JP was successful because he said nothing and just let Rory play, for those 3 or 4 years no-one could live with him when he was freewheeling it. Look at the way he rocked up on Sunday at Medinah, no warmup and took out Keegan Bradley, or in the wind at Kiawah when even Tiger couldn't stay with him in R3. Maybe now he's older, he sees the trouble a tiny bit more (and it wouldn't even have to be as much as once per round), and is just that percent or two off what he was. Who knows.

We had 3 birdies and then he had a bogey 😁

I think @Russman overview summarises well and should end the discussion for good!

Knowing the players that joined and their motivations, I doubt they are on the full 10%!

Absolutely ridiculous. The fact they were in contention means he is doing a great job.

I just pointed out the three previous major winners because they were relevant.

Here's Zalatoris....

When I won [the TPC Colorado Championship], well, on 15, it's a very gettable par 5. I hit it over the back of the green and I had about a 35-footer and I left it hanging on the lip," Zalatoris explained. "Ryan was -- he could tell I was frustrated. We get up on to 16 tee and it's like a 122-yard par-3 down the hill with a false front and I'm pacing off the yardage. I'm like, 'I've got 122.' He said, 'Pace it off again.' I'm looking at him like, 'You've got to be kidding me. I'm trying to win a golf tournament. You've got a different number.'"

Zalatoris walked it off again, getting the exact same 122 number. When he looked over to Goble, he knew he got got. 

"I look at him and he's smiling and I knew immediately what he was doing was actually trying to get me to slow down and just take a moment. Don't press and make another mistake when you don't have to because the first thing if someone tells you to calm down, you're like 'Well, no, I'm not going to calm down, you calm down.'

"So it was a really kind of good little mind trick that he played on me, and I ended up hitting the shot to eight feet, making birdie and we ended up winning the tournament by one."

This story wasn't told after the win, it was told after the Olympics when a conversation about whether a caddy should get an Olympic medal came up. Zalatoris, Poulter and Max Homa all said they should.

That's three guys with no major who believe caddies are that important.

Are you privy to things about Rory and Harry that none of us are? How do you know he has never challenged Rory's decisions? How do you know he never says anything about going for the green off the tee? Did you actually just decide to make up stuff to back up your argument, that's quite bizarre.

The two issues I'd have with that, and I'm not saying you're right or wrong coz its an interesting debate, would be 1) how do we know Harry has never challenged Rory or advised caution ? and 2) I think we're slightly guilty of judging these top players with the benefit of hindsight and with a conservative mentality. Top pros are so good at golf its on another level to even average pros, let alone club golfers. They just think differently and rarely, if ever, "go for" a green - most of the time, they know that a well struck shot either has the carry or doesn't, its very seldom a Hail Mary, throw yourself at it, kind of shot. Of course, a caddy should offer advice, especially if its plainly crazy, but maybe the two of them decided that the best play to gain a shot when chasing was to knock it up to the front of that green with the 3 wood and as long as he didn't miss left he was fine. Hitting a big swinging hook like he did wouldn't have come into it. Matty Fitz drove that green and won, Billy must have been ok with it.

Its been mentioned earlier in the year, and even discussed on here, that he's been having problems with his 3 wood and how it had a left shot in it (around the time Bryson got slapped down by Cobra for saying his driver was rubbish), he even spoke about it the other day. Maybe that should have factored into things, maybe it did and Rory still said its grand, I got this.

Think of one of his best shots, the drive on 18 at Sawgrass when he won. An absolute monster shot, but lets say he tweaks that 3 or 4 yards left and into the water, should Harry have tried to talk him into nudging a 5W down there ?

And they give less F**ks about his weight. Stupid comment.