Dublin Pride ends media partnership with RTE over Liveline's Gender Identity discussion

You are making things up out of nowhere. Noone is calling for boggender or staticgender on identity documents. Absolutely noone is. One Eyed Jack isnt. No trans activist is. No LGBT activist is. No Non binary person is. Supporting legal recognition of non binary identity does not mean supporting boggender or staticgender on identity documents. It doesn't mean what you say it means. Noone is asking for it.

If you have some proof of people going around with official passports or drivers licence with boggender or staticgender please do provide it.

What rights are denied to people who identify as non-binary that would be granted to them if they were allowed to legally identify as non-binary (other than the right to have their non-binary status recognised)?

What do you think of the court's opinion that the applicants' gender was "a biographical detail which can be used to confirm their identity." If this decision is upheld by the EHCR, will it mean that a transman/transwoman won't have M/F down as their sex on their passport?

I think that the GRA needs to be revisited, with the aim of ensuring the act serves the needs of both trans people and society as a whole. The rights of an individual should not unduly impinge on the rights of society as a whole. Given that, I would say that:

1 What adults choose to do to themselves is their own business, but the state has a requirement to protect some individuals from themselves. To ensure this, any adult who chooses to transition should be doing so in an environment where there is adequate support and where they have been fully informed and processed the result of their transition. Any adult who wishes to transition should engage with some sort of therapy which encourages them to question the motivation for their decision, and to have realistic expectations for the outcome. I have seen a number of trans activists on twitter complaining that lesbians don't want to date them. No matter how much equality legislation exists, it will never be possible to tell someone that they have to be have sex with a trans person. This is not advocating for conversion therapy, but any legislation outlawing conversion therapy needs to recognise that a good therapist will invite a client to challenge their own opinions. It is only by challenging them that a decision that is true to the person can be made. It will either eliminate the desire or completely confirm it.

2 Children need to be protected. This requirement for therapy is even more necessary for children. Also, permanent transition options (hormonal or surgical) should not be available to those under 18. Children, while adjusting to changing hormonal levels and while becoming more aware of their own sexuality are more prone to making decisions that they may regret in future. Adults who make that decision are more likely to have fully considered the outcomes of their actions.

3 In order to protect society in general, and women, children and the trans community in particular, it should not be possible for anyone convicted of violent or sexual crime, or awaiting trial for same, to transition. It is in the interests of society that dangerous people cannot hide who they are (on an aside, I believe that our rules on name changes in general should be overhauled to prevent dangerous criminals hiding who they are). For the trans community, rules like this would hopefully reduce some of the fear-mongering about (mostly MtF people) going into bathrooms of the opposite sex.

4 People who have transitioned should, where possible, avoid using open changing rooms where there is a private cubicle option. As an example of this - in the swimming pool closest to me, there are open changing rooms for men and women, and also about 40 cubicles (about 10 for families and 30 for individuals). Single sex areas should, where possible, remain as safe spaces for that sex. Women in general don't want to see a penis when getting ready to go to the gym, and they shouldn't be forced to. Also, given the current approach of trans activists of screaming and shouting "transphobe" if anyone dares to question them, there is the possibility that people who are not actually trans will claim to be (I don't mean will apply for a GRC, but will just say that they are and shout transphobe at anyone who questions them) in order to gain access to female only spaces. I have a major problem with a quote from Regina Doherty in the Scottish Houses of Parliament, where she said "The prison thing, the shared dressing room spaces and the school toilets were the three things that came up in the jurisdictions that we looked at. But again the incidences were so minute." While they number of incidences may be small, for each individual who something happens to, it is a major problem. The state has a responsibility to ensure their guidelines and practices reduce the risk as much as possible.

5 In general, in sports, trans-athletes should not compete against their new legal gender. This is primarily for reasons of safety and fairness, as there are significant physiological differences between biological males and females that persist even after transition. There are already issues with the levels of participation of women in sports, and it is important that trans inclusion does not further reduce that. There are some sports where the differences are less than others, and those sports should be allowed to set their own requirements. I think that this isn't a change as such, but does need to be highlighted.

6 A lot of the debate about "removing women from legislation" could be eliminated by having clauses in the GRA which define where the gender/biological sex are the relevant characteristic (e.g. in medical related issues, biological sex is more relevant than gender)

These points only apply to MtF or FtM trans, not to intersex or the non-binary/other genders, which I feel also need to be looked at, but are different issues.

The entire T community is a minuscule number (regardless whether that encompasses 9, 99, 999... genders). Again, the mystery is why anyone believes the motivations of our institutions when they pretend to care about such a tiny community.

Irish passports officially recognise trans binary persons yes.

I might take your posts seriously if you could actually provide evidence that people are looking for official ID for boggender or staticgender. You can't do that so...... yeah as I said you just made it all up.

Does anyone know why we have it on our passports?

Any evidence of boggender passports?

Ridiculous. Human rights activists do not campaign on every issue. And some eejits come along and go "how can you be a human rights campaigner if you don't campaign for X, Y, Z".

Same with feminists or gay rights campaigners. Someone will always come along and be like "but what about women in Africa, why aren't you campaigning for them".

It's a little sad that you try and claim passion and caring for a particular issue as dispassion and disdain for another issue. It could only come from someone who is passionate about nothing and resentful of people who care about issues.

Why would it be inconsistent for a trans rights activist to not ask for all genders to be legally recognised? When the individuals who identify as those genders are not asking for legal recognition of them, why would someone who campaigns for transwomen to be recognized as women and trans men to be recognized as men campaign for it. Would be a little silly.

Let me be very clear. Campaigning and caring about an issue does not commit anyone to holding a position on any other issue. Not campaigning for an issue does.not mean you hold a negative or disdainful opinion about that issue. The only people who interpret it that way are passionless snarks who want everyone to be as empty and snarky as they are.