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    #6752
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,229 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164492#Comment_119164492

    Thai is a pity.



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    #6753
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,229 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119164551#Comment_119164551

    The VFX of the original were not shite.

    They were the best that could be done at the time.

    I didnn my t know the same was done to TNG. not interested in seeing that either and glad it stopped before Ds9

    Both versions were available on the US iTunes Store at one stage. I regret not buying the unmastered now.



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    #6754
    JayRoc
    Registered Users Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119165274#Comment_119165274

    This is just my opinion obviously, but I think the remastering of Next Gen (and DS9 for that matter if it ever happened) feels far more consistent with the original tone of the episodes than with TOS.



    There is such a specific feel to the production values, lighting, special effects etc of a show from the 60s. Personally I very much enjoy it but it unquestionably dates those shows far more than stuff from the late 80s/90s onward.


    And cleaning up/modernising something that was so gloriously of its time isn't my cup of tea.


    (Personally I don't agree that the effects were poor. The show had a decent budget, at least in the first year or two. They were simply of their time)



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    #6755
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119165274#Comment_119165274

    It's needed in DS9 because TOS and TNG were practical models where as DS9 moved to CGI, which has aged horribly



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    #6756
    [Deleted User]
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    I'd prefer if the TOS remaster had the option to show the correct tunic colours, instead of the film flaws the aired shows had



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    #6757
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,273 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119165549#Comment_119165549

    I somewhat misspoke. The FX aged like shíte was more what I meant; while the original models were great, the footage was often lower Res than the rest of the episode IIRC, while the aforementioned cost cutting was annoying. Things like planets rendered as glowing coloured blobs were always distracting and the remasters were a good chance for a subtle improvement there. As I said the CGI looked a bit too like CGI at times with the ship exteriors which was a shame. New matte backgrounds often looked pretty good

    Doctor Who remasters had the same issue, even worse sometimes. The advertised new, CGI FX often looked even worse than 1970s zero budget BBC work. Time won't be kind there.



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    #6758
    corkie
    Registered Users Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭corkie


    Was in two minds, to share this youtube video or not?

    Did This Moment Reboot STAR TREK Right Under Our Noses?

    56,043 views 6 Jun 2022 ~ The Popcast

    ^^^ Linked it rather than embedding in this post, the comments are worth reading.

    Spoiler and main points of the theory below.

    Did Rick Berman & Patrick Stewart secretly reboot the franchise with

    the Film 'First Contact' & Enterprise series?


    "There was no Romulan war imminent on Enterprise."

    That's not true, you can see them headed toward the Romulan war in S4.

    They were also planning on the war for S5.

    Don't buy the theory myself, it implies that it was planned out, instead of just happening by coincidence?



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    #6759
    Evade
    Registered Users Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭Evade


    It's a pretty weak theory.

    Minor canon inconsistencies have been happening since TOS it's not an intentional reboot. A classic example is Relics and Generations, Ronald D. Moore wrote both of them and in Relics Scotty thought Kirk was still alive but in Generations he saw him "die."


    Also "why didn't the Romulans take over the Alpha Quadrant if they had the best ships?" is easily answered by numbers. There are very few Romulans compare to the rest of the Quadrant and having the best ships doesn't guarantee victory, just ask the IJN.



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    #6760
    flazio
    Registered Users Posts: 13,047 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Voyager got some TAS treatment.

    https://youtu.be/luEDui2zAUw




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    #6761
    Rawr
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119199395#Comment_119199395

    Ah, beat me to it. I don't know how they managed it, but it's even more fun than the BOBW cartoon they made last time. They really leaned into the TAS stylE in this one and it just works so well.

    I saw comments there pleading for a DS9 one next time. Can you imagine a Dominion War story done this way? God, I'd crack up :P



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    #6762
    Evade
    Registered Users Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭Evade


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119200397#Comment_119200397

    I'd like to see Garak animated doing the Kirk shocked meme



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    #6763
    Rawr
    Registered Users Posts: 3,850 ✭✭✭Rawr


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119200659#Comment_119200659

    [Odo and Garak are escourted onto the bridge of a Romulan Warbird]

    Enabra Tain: Hello, Garak... it's good of you to come. It spares me the trouble of having to send someone else to kill you...

    [Garak doing Kirk shocked meme]



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    #6764
    corkie
    Registered Users Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭corkie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119200659#Comment_119200659
    Untitled Image
    Untitled Image

    Unused Flyby Footage of the Original Enterprise Composited on a Starfield.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOTW4cz-XDM

    Is it the animated meme, your referring to?



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    #6765
    Evade
    Registered Users Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭Evade


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119203421#Comment_119203421

    Yeah, the animated one.

    I can almost see Garak doing it feigning shock like in Rawr's scenario or when he and Bashir are talking about something and Bashir brings up something reprehensible he's seen and Garak admits he's done something similar.



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    #6766
    AMKC
    Registered Users Posts: 15,902 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I like the remastered versions if TOS and think they done a good job. I did not know TNG had it done not that it really needed it anyway. If there was one thing I would Change in TNG it's at the end of BOBW when Picard is looking out his window and the camera zooms out from it. That could be done so much better now.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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    #6767
    AMKC
    Registered Users Posts: 15,902 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119199395#Comment_119199395

    What is the point of these? Is there anything different to the live action version?

    Edit: Never mind there is.


    Is that a Tellerit and an Andorian I see at 4.10?

    Post edited by AMKC on

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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    #6768
    corkie
    Registered Users Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭corkie


    How We Animated Star Trek: TNG: TAS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcRzkRTlUY4

    fan projects!!



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    #6769
    flazio
    Registered Users Posts: 13,047 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I see Paramount+ has launched in the UK/ Ireland. I've not signed up yet because I'm just waiting for Stranger Things part 2 and a run through of The Umbrella Academy before cancelling Netflix and moving over. It mentions Strange New Worlds but nothing else. Do they not have Discovery? Or any of the movies? TOS to Enterprise appears to still be on Netflix.



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    #6770
    ~Rebel~
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119238915#Comment_119238915

    Discovery, Prodigy, TOS, TNG, Voyager, DS9, Enterprise, and the first few episodes of SNW are all there. As are all the movies except Beyond and Into Darkness. So all that's missing are those two movies, Lower Decks, and Picard.



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    #6771
    eadrom
    Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭eadrom


    But only 3 episodes of SNW are on there. They’re releasing the rest of them 1 per week, well behind the US Paramount+ release schedule.

    also I was expecting to see the new 4K edition of The Motion Picture director’s edition but that doesn’t seem to be there?



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    #6772
    TaurenDruid
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    Bizarre that they don't have Lower Decks and Picard on there, especially the latter.



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    #6773
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,273 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119242604#Comment_119242604

    Probably because Amazon UK/IE have the rights to Picard & Lower Decks ATM. I guess with PAramout+ now in the territories, those contracts will be allowed to lapse & Seasons 3 of both will appear on Paramount.



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    #6774
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119242617#Comment_119242617

    Ah, that explains it all right. Personally I'm not going to go beyond two streaming services - Netflix and Disney+ currently winning out for me.



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    #6775
    corkie
    Registered Users Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭corkie


    Do You Remember the STAR TREK and FLINTSTONES Crossover?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpJSfK6NGew

    Watch till the end of for the Flintstones Pebble Commercial. <<< Bad recording of it.



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    #6776
    flazio
    Registered Users Posts: 13,047 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    So, with the Paramount subscription going, just catching up on Discovery and Strange New Worlds, one question I have though, aside from what we see in Kelvin universe, is there any canon story as to when Montgomery Scott joined the Enterprise? I always assumed he was part of building the ship and was there ever since, just not a featured character in The Cage.



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    #6777
    corkie
    Registered Users Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭corkie


    According to StarTrek.com Montgomery Scott was given his first starship posting as an ensign in 2242. [1]


    By 2265, Scott was assigned to the USS Enterprise where he served as chief engineer under CaptainJames Kirk. (TOS: "Where No

    Man Has Gone Before") The Enterprise was the first ship on which he was the chief engineer. (TNG: "Relics")


    Scott later admitted that he often padded his estimates of time needed for repairs by a factor of four in order to appear that much faster. (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock; TNG: "Relics") As he said to Geordi La Forge in the 24th Century, "A good engineer needs to be a wee bit conservative, at least on paper."

    https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Montgomery_Scott



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    #6778
    Evade
    Registered Users Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭Evade


    In Relics he said he'd served on 11 ships so he was probably just assigned to the Enterprise at some point. Not everyone needs a backstory as to how they ended up in their current assignment beyond "orders." That's not to say he wasn't involved in building the ship at some point.



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    #6779
    corkie
    Registered Users Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭corkie


    @flazio

    In the D.C. Fontana novel Vulcan's Glory, in 2253, Lieutenant Scott signed aboard the Enterprise as a junior engineer under Lieutenant Commander Caitlin Barry.

    PDF of novel here.

    The main character of the story are Spock, Sarek, Amanda Grayson, T'Pring, Christopher Pike. The book was first published in February 1989 and the latest edition of the book was published in March 15th 1991 which eliminates all the known issues and printing errors.

    So he could turn up on SNW?

    @Evade

    Other non canon info

    Having proved to be an excellent engineer during his time at the Academy, Scott was assigned to the San Francisco Fleet Yards where he served on the construction teams working on four Constitution-classstarships, including the USS Enterprise. (TOSnovel: The Galactic Whirlpool)

    https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Montgomery_Scott

    Post edited by corkie on


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    #6780
    Evade
    Registered Users Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭Evade


    It completely slipped my mind that Starfleet build their own ships. Imagine joining Starfleet to see the galaxy and spending your entire career in a shipyard on Earth or Mars



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    #6781
    AMKC
    Registered Users Posts: 15,902 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Anyone else here watch the F1 today Sunday and see Star Trek SNW advertised on the Billboards? Good too see. Hopefully it gets some more fans.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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