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The Pushback against Leftism

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  • Registered Users Posts: 419 ✭✭Madeoface


    There is no needs to push back against leftism. College kids grow out of it as do young adults when they start working and get a shock when taxed. That is when most people start to smell the roses and start questioning what their taxes are paid on and start to figure society out.

    That's also when they usually look at causes of the moment or NGO's (like the trans lobbyists, using the op original example) and go ,wtf? Was that in a program of government? And punish / reward at next election.

    The people who don't question leftism are those who are set up to prosper from it individually (perpetual ngo's who will never fix the problem they lobby for) or collectively (PBP, SF etc who believe in money trees and corner the non working class and lower paid 'market'). Then there are the champagne socialists in the high paying public sector business of leftism like M.D.Higgins, raised, very well fed and very well watered by spouting left wing causes while following and fully enjoying a personal capitalist way of life.

    I don't think we have a right wing here to bother worrying about at all. It's all pretty much centrism with a policy nod here and there to the pervading mood. Even that cnut Bertie was a socialist apparently...

    While I get amusement from Murphy, Boyd Barrett etc it's the reconstituted republican movement that frightens me most. I'd like to see Labour back in that slot but I think they are done unfortunately. They did too little too late to change from a very old looking party that could appeal to younger voters about a decade ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Post at the top of the page has the number of NGOs. Governments annual budget shows that they get €5.5bn in funding. Below is another link from an exec search company telling execs about the NGO business space in Ireland, it contains the figures too.

    https://www.principalconnections.ie/not-for-profit-executive-search/



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In summary, a staggering €110m is being spent on 2,663 homeless people - that's over €40,000 per person.


    from 2014 but should give you a fair idea of the state of the ngo industry in Ireland. Covers everything from homeless charities to environmental ngos to refugee and migration ngos/charities the list is huge.

    It's a bare face swindle at best. At worst it's unrepresented government. It's probably bits of both.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's hard to convince a person of something when their personal circumstances and comfort depend on them not understanding it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,504 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Even before we had anything in the way of immigration, we were always a deeply statist people, all sections of society happily looked to government to give them something, we have no libertarian tradition whatsoever, group think has always dominated.


    Ireland has always leaned left ,of course for many commentators unless you are doctranaire Marxist, you are by default of the right



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,625 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm not reading random edgy websites. Post some actual evidence instead of some professional edgelord wailing.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,443 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    again, a *significant* amount of that funding is for hospitals and universities. not what people will automatically think of when you mention 'the non-profit sector'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,504 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Yep ,WOKENESS is a religion so what's holy or unholy is merely an article of faith



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,362 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Hear hear. Classic slice of 1990s electronica IMO




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    The term cognitive dissonance is used to describe the mental discomfort that results from holding two conflicting beliefs, values, or attitudes. People tend to seek consistency in their attitudes and perceptions, so this conflict causes feelings of unease or discomfort



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The modern left are the New Jesuit Priests, largely middle class, wealthy, highly moralistic, imbued with a righteous conviction that they are battling evil and sin and that they are a force for good.


    The left used be dominated by the working class, hard to imagine it now.


    Every year it becomes more Middle and upper middle class.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Serious criticism of the Irish NGO sector will not come from the Irish Times Group or Independent Newspapers.

    Yet you won't consider criticism from outsider web magazines

    So where and from whom is criticism of NGOs that you deem legitimate meant to come from?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Scroll back the last 3 or 4 pages and there is enough evidence. It's abundantly clear that no amount of evidence will convince someone with their heads ignorantly in the sand. Where are your counters? Where is the debate, the increases mentioned, the literal video of a UN official laughing at us the many many posts, you have countered none of them. You just keep responding with one or two sentence jibes, it really is like talking to a wall.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't we criticise both successive government policy regarding NGOs and the NGOs themselves?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,443 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    fair point, but often the people complaining about the proliferation of NGOs are not the sort of people who welcome the government increasing its reach.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,625 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    When I read comments like this, absolutely. You can't scream MSM for years and then expect me to take Grift.ie as gospel.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    I agree that most people are against virtue signaling and issues that only resonate with a tiny minority of people.

    I have never met a trans person. What % of the population are they??

    Leo and Simon will be in a party of less than 25 seats if they don't make a bigger effort on housing.

    All the LGBT votes won't save them.

    Im not denying they have serious issues but they are way down the list of the avg voter



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    How come every time I glance at this thread title I think it's

    "The Pushback against Letrim"



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Except that the people complaining about the NGOs would probably (I'm guessing, just as you are with their "sort") be happy with the numbers being cut by 60/70% with them being consolidated. Not necessarily the increase of government reach.. although, considering how dependent many of the NGOs are on government funding, the reach is already there. I think one of the major objections is the amount of funding being allocated, which would be better spent by having less such organisations (they'd also have less market competition, and likely able to support themselves better without govt support).

    Oh, and government reach continues to grow regardless of the NGOs through the establishment and reinforcement of regulatory bodies and connected legislation.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Nobody in their right mind would take Gript as gospel. But someone a lillte less ignorant would read it and the many many posts/articles presented and attempt a somewhat intelligent counter as opposed to focussing one less than credible source and harp on about it.

    Did Gript or any other article presented falsify figures? Please counter. Is the video of the UN official laughing at us Deep Faked? Enough of your one or two line responses, let's hear your argument against the claim that we have a problem with NGOs in Ireland. I'll get the popcorn.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,625 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Your claim, your burden of proof. I'm not spoonfeeding you. I'll believe evidence, not opinion.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    Another two sentence jibe, very disappointing. The thread is full of articles, figures etc. you attempted to counter none of them, not one. I'll put the popcorn away so.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A number of posters have provided independent links apart from those you've dismissed and you've ignored their posts.. So your request for evidence means nothing.

    Dismiss and deflect. Throw in a few claims of racism and xenophobia, avoid defending your claims, and.... then start again.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,625 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭landofthetree



    SF support FG policy yet again. Although they will probably say the 3billion spend on Ukrainian refugees isn't enough.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,350 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Ireland has always leaned left!! Yes the Catholic Church dominated Ireland of 1920s-1990s where being homosexual was illegal, contraception was banned, books, magazines and movies that challenged the deeply conservative thought process were banned. We were last western nation to introduce abortion and that was due to the power of the people, we had a f**king blasphemy law until 2020.

    People here are watching too much Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk here methinks...



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,995 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    great album though, John Lydon played open up at his gig here last week ....savage



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,504 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Like I said, just because the country wasn't a satellite state of the USSR, doesn't mean it was right wing ,a country can be socially conservative yet economically and ideologically left ,the Catholic Church was always left wing economically, self reliance of the typically American prospector ( keep the government out of my way )mentality is a traditionally Protestant attitude so this might explain the lack of libertarian tradition



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Push back against the left while a left wing party is the biggest in the polls for years? Ok.



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