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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    That it has taken weeks for them to even manage as much as they have does not bode well for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Another fair assessment of the war. Russia is undoubtedly planning for the long term [4 years pluss] and waiting for ammo and weapons to run out in Ukraine. Odd, the US seem to think a long war will work for the Ukraine even though Russia is at its weakest right now as apart from old codgers in their 50s and old 1970s weapons they have little left. as for the fear of providing long-range weapons that is a counterproductive situation as without long-range rockets and missiles Ukraine can not drive Russia out. I would love to know what the CIA are telling president Joe. I don't honestly see Ukraine using long-range weapons directly into Russia when they need it all for the Russian positions in the Ukraine.


    Dan.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Part of me thinks, fantastic. Another part of me thinks, what a fcuking barbaric bolloxology this is happening in 21st century Europe, where humans have resorted to flinging missiles at each other. This is totally on Putin, and the Ukrainians are defending themselves, as they must. It's just pathetic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz


    The entire Ukraine army is not in Lysychansk/Severodonetsk.There are plenty of forces behind so when the russians advance towards Lysychansk from the south west then they are prone to attack from behind.The battlefield may look like russia--river--Ukraine on high ground--russia--Ukraine with supply line.This has the potential for russia to get caught in the middle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    He might ultimately reach Washington DC by the year 3040.

    its an utterly futile campaign going from city to city flattening the shite out of them and taking weeks on end to take each one.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Maybe you don’t follow current events from actual news outlets but putin has changed strategy this has got plenty of coverage here in Ireland and in the rest of the free world.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    I think you're giving the Ukrainian army too much credit

    Russians will soon encircle Lisichansk by cutting off the 2 main highways between the city and rest of free Ukraine, and at that stage will control a significant length of both routes. That combined with their artillery capabilities means there is no major surprise counterattack coming. Russians will take all of Luhansk oblast soon



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    I think "Field east" may be sarcastically referring to the fact that Putin was "provided with a reason" to change strategy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    'Actual news outlets, and the rest of the free world '.

    Is been very apparent for a long time that the only reason the strategy changed, is because the Russians got their ass handed to them with their initial plan.

    Now they have gone back to barbarian times, flattening the while Country while raping and pillaging the population. To try and make out that this is part of some master plan is just plain stupid, and erodes what little credibility you may have had left.

    The Ukrainians have been able to hold off a much stronger force with better battle management and a drip feed of weapons. Can you imagine if they had been given full house of weaponry they had asked for? Abrams, F16's, long range missiles for those HIMARS in quantity. The Russians would be crushed. The only reason the Russians are still in this fight is because of western cowardice.

    Your hard on for the Russians is **** embarrassing.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,743 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,882 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, in the wonderful world of "IF", western Country's instead of procrastinating will he or won't he invade, had prepositioned weapons and troops near the Ukrainian border, and the minute Putin's army crossed the border, hit them with everything they had. For sure, it would have stopped him in his tracks.. but now planned or not, it looks like developing into a long drawn out Afghan type war.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,551 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    In soviet russia, missiles strike soviet russia



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Video reportedly showing the first combat use of HIMARS in Ukraine

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz


    I am giving the Ukraine army the credit they have shown they deserve.I understand and agree with the possible encirclement of Lysychansk but the russians are open to attack from behind but you failed to address this issue.Russia must commit a force to attack Lysychansk and commit a force to defend their rear so the forces they have now must be split in two,one facing north and one facing south.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Odd, the US seem to think a long war will work for the Ukraine even though Russia is at its weakest right now

    Ukraine is only getting stronger in terms of equipment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,250 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Banana, you either make a stand and fight, or run away and hand it over to them, free. You can be sure that the Russians paid dearly for any ground they have gained. And no matter what way you look at it, their hold on it will only be temporary. The Ukrainians have absolutely no intention of allowing Russia to control any part of Ukraine on a permanent basis, and that includes Crimea as well as the currently so called occupied territories. Slava Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,802 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Ukraine are moving away from Soviet equipment and onto NATO equipment.

    That speaks volumes.

    Just need them trained on Patriot air defence systems to protect key cities next, especially if it's going to become a long and protracted war.

    I don't see the point in the west saying they won't provide western tanks for fear of them crossing the Russian border etc... Ukraine have been given western self propelled artillery which could be used in direct fire mode, a tank in other words.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,407 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard




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    So we are basically back to where we started except for the sanctions



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    I accept that but I am worried about China providing covert weapons to Russia and Russia needs time to rebuild its ground forces. Time suits Russia a bit more than Ukraine. Russia will not mind losing 50,000 or 80,000 ground troops as its cares not an inch for cannon fodder they regard their army as. Ukraine needs to be mindful of this. China could also do something in its own backyard or indeed could North Koera. Where would that leave the US? Could the White House keep helping Ukraine if China made a move on Taiwan?

    Dan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    For starters its east/west not north/south

    The Russians are pushing North to close the gap between Siversk and Lisichansk, once that is done Lisichansk is on the east, Siversk on the west.

    There are 2 main roads out of Lisichansk, one to Siversk and one to Bakhmut. The Bakhmut road is controlled by the Russians, it runs along their controlled territory to the south. That leaves one road out to Siversk. This is the only direction a counterattack could come from either, and is well in range of Russian artillery from both south and north of the donets river.

    Most likely scenario is a protracted siege of Lisichansk, then troops stuck there eventually surrender, then Russian frontline moves up toward Siversk and Bakhmut.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    I think more likely the operators, in the confusion of battle, entered their own coordinates rather than those of the enemy's. Similar mistakes were known to have happened in the Iraq war with troops calling in air strikes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz



    The counterattack will first come from the sky,it doesn't need a road.

    If/when the russian forces get to the outskirts of Lysychansk,they are out in the open and in range of artillery fired from the strong holds of Bakmut and Kramatorsk.Russian forces must keep moving to avoid artillery but when they get close to Lysychansk they will have to stop and sit outside to set up artillery and dig in.This is when they get hit with (possibly) precision artillery from Bakmut/kramatorsk using HIMARS+PZH2000.A ground force counterattack may not be needed until Lysychansk runs low on ammunition and anything can happen between then and now.

    I agree a siege may happen but with both sides having forces stuck in the middle.The advantage will be with Ukraine forces with the shelter of a city.There is nowhere to hide outside Lysychansk waiting to get in



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,815 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's forcing the Russians to pay a very high price to advance buys time for Ukraine and hopefully for Western weapons.


    There are few places between their and the Dneiper River to so like wise.


    A collapse of the Ukrainian forces in the East due to attrition, fatigue and shortages is possible in the weeks ahead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Its been weeks since Ive been on this thread and I see nothing has changed, its still full of keyboard warriors like you mutant who can't express themselves any better than you just did thats what's embarrassing.

    Ya the initial Russian "strategy" was disastrous for them and made Putin and co look like Apes. Before this latest invasion of Ukraine, the already invaded back in 2014, the west used to describe the Russian military as a near peer and indeed Putin seemed to believe that and tried to pull a NATO and basically announce the second invasion but as we all know that didn't pan out and Russia has switched to what there "good at" throwing bodies into a meet grinder, level everything and kill and or rape anything that moves. The Soviets lost 27 million people in WW2, very many of them Ukrainians, do you think that Stalin cared about that or that even now Putin gives a shite about the prols on the front or who they rape, no. Russia hasn't gone "back" to barbarian times its was always there, this war won't end soon unless Putin is found dead, and even if he was we wouldn't even know.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,510 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Interesting to hear what happens to people forced to go to Russia from Ukraine. They were forcibly deported at gunpoint and bussed to locations all over Russia, treated almost like captured prisoners of war - this is 100% considered a war crime by the UN.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Ukraine are getting NATO equipment cause NATO has run out of old soviet stock.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Russia has switched to what there "good at" throwing bodies into a meet grinder, level everything and kill and or rape anything that moves.

    Absolutely, but they are also not used to doing this against an enemy with the ability to actually fight back. It doesn't matter that Putin doesn't give a **** about his soldiers, while he would happily do this forever the fact that they are taking T62s out of mothballs shows that they physically can not keep this up indefinitely.



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