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Breaking... US Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,514 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Gay marriage next, just watch them.


    USA going backwards rapidly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭ElJaguar


    It looks like a Dred Scott type decision.

    Not good at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Ughhhh... what an idiotic decision, but I'm not surprised, this is the same country that put a fat, orange IMBECILE in charge.

    Stupid, Stupid, Stupid country and people.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Does this not just give the individual states the right to make their own abortion laws?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    America turning backward. Scary times for women and minorities.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Largely welcome and a positive step.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,695 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Saw this on twitter that sums up that warped country:

    "Damn girl is that a concealed handgun in your waistband or are you just being forced by the state to carry an unplanned pregnancy to term"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,275 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Not really though

    About two-thirds of Americans say they do not support overturning Roe v. Wade, the landmark Supreme Court decision that made abortion legal in the United States, according to the latest NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,307 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The growth of White Christian Fundamentalism in the #United States has led to this. The GOP has spent 50yrs on overturning Roe and now they will have to deal with the fallout.

    The discordance between the constitutional protection afforded gun rights yesterday, with the stripping away of women's rights today is massive. It is a curious and abhorrent legalist stance IMO.

    The intertwining of Politics & Religion has never ended well and SCOTUS has overturned a woman's Right To Choose and it obliterates the doctrine of unenumerated rights as it previously stood until today. Alito's rejoinder that this decision only applies to the specific case at hand? Is utter bullshít, contraception, same sex relationships, and every other right not explicitly recognised in the constitution? They are all now at grievous risk IMO.


    This is a moment of Schism and National Peril for the USA. It is not hyperbole to treat this as step 1 in a theological coup. Margaret Atwood was prophetic and I am appalled at the jurisprudence outlined in the decision itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,398 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    When the Taliban took back the keys recently, everyone quickly pointed towards the women there and the rights that would be taken away from them in Afghanistan.

    Now, the exact same things are happening in America. Sad times really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,398 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Ah here we go.

    When will anyone learn, abortion bans do no stop abortions. They never did. Head in the sand stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    I couldn't have said it better myself

    We're really living in The Handmaid's Tale

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭honeyjo


    Overturning Roe vs Wade bans legal safe abortions. Women will die. I'm devastated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,367 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    It really is looking more and more likely that we're going to live through the fall of the American Empire and the second US Civil War. The really worrying bit is that it's the morons who have the guns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭Spudman_20000


    The ruling being overturned means that individual states can make their own laws in relation to abortion restrictions. I'd say easily two-thirds of Americans (and a good portion of people posting on here) don't actually understand what overturning the ruling means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    This puts a lot of later decisions on the right to privacy in the firing line now too, there's no way they'll stop at abortion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Women should arm themselves against privileged frat boys. Use the 'stand your ground' law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,743 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Now, the exact same things are happening in America. Sad times really.

    But it hasn't.

    It's not remotely the same.

    And you know it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭guyfo


    We can only hope that this will lead to a backlash against those that caused this.

    If people want their rights back, they are going to need to vote democrat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Most state governors and legislators have already stated they're calling special sessions to activate their trigger laws and such. In south carolina it will be illegal after today to have an abortion after a heartbeat is detected, in addition to myriad other TRAP laws designed to filibuster a woman from seeking an abortion in time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,398 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    When it comes to womens rights it is. Just look at the additional recommendations from the court on what should be banned next. Evangelical thinking is the same as Islamic, control over women and people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭plodder


    The Right religious conservatives and who knows who else have today overturned the constitutional right to abortion in the US.


    Will this now embolden anti abortionists in this country to fight back?


    The US is a cold place for women now.

    Certainly for poor women. The rich will always get what they need, but other rights must be in question now as well.

    I don't think it will embolden anti abortion activists here given the legitimacy of the widely supported referendum. It's a shame their constitution doesn't allow for simple referendums like ours, as there would be a majority in favour of abortion there as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,724 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    In his judgement, Justice Clarence Thomas also mentioned that the court must now look at the decisions in the keystone cases enshrining rights to contraception and same sex marriages.

    So the devolution of American society isn't stopping any time soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Another stellar piece of ammunition for the Democrats to expand the court to 13 justices, and sooner rather than later.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    What an appalling country where unelected and unaccountable judges can arbitrarily withdraw rights as they see fit purely for political reasons.

    Let's hope but it needs serious reform.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They're too busy focussing on nonsense, minority-supported issues and issues that won't win votes. Unless there's American boots on the ground somewhere in 2 years' time the GOP will win the trifecta handy enough and then the fun and games can really begin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Exactly. What is the point of the Supreme Court if its justices can just interpret the constitution according to their personal political beliefs? The law is the law.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's almost funny considering how fearful the founding fathers were of unchecked executive power.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Women will f*cking die because they can’t access appropriate, safe medical care.

    But f*ck them, eh?

    Clarence Thomas has already got the ball rolling on overturning the right to contraceptives, gay marriage and even gay sex.

    Evil bastards. That’s all they are.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Also, Barack Obama can f*ck off preaching about this. He theoretically had the votes to break the filibuster to codify this and he did nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,049 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Isn't that what happened already in 1973?

    The Federal constitution and Federal law is silent on abortion. For the law to be the law - it has to be in law first. Instead there was a vaccuum and decisions being made indirectly based on interpretation of how other laws applied to this scenario.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The American right really have gone all out to justify the worst things ever said about them. They used to believe in patriotism, military strength, democracy, individual liberty and small government. Now, it's just cruelty, venality and fascism.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭ddarcy



    so you’re fine when justices do it but it favours you? Like it or not that was how Roe v Wade happened. There is no constitutional basis for it. Never was. Honestly judges stepping out of line in that decision and has caused more harm than good.

    and let’s be clear this day was always coming. I had some of the biggest hardcore liberal professors in university and they even said the decision has no foundation in constitutional law, even though they full agreed with it. Democrats really need to look back at the close to 50 years and what they’ve done / not done in preparation for this inevitability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Prayers for young women who may feel the need to take their lives after this decision. Women who would never survive a childbirth.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    It’s about control. Anyone who says otherwise is completely deluded.

    Celebrating women dying because they wanted to terminate the pregnancy that was caused by rape. Scum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,755 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Meh, American domestic issue. Irrelevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    They always overlook too that their beloved SC judge, RBG, didn't agree with Roe v Wade either, as she thought that it sat on shaky ground. Like the last thread, legalities will hardly be spoken of, and outrage and hysteria will be all that we'll see.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I don't see you post on every thread when something isn't relevant to you. Thanks for stopping by all the same...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,380 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Prayers for young women who may feel the need to take their lives after this decision.

    lol are you for real? what goes on in your head that you do be inventing these scenarios 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,737 ✭✭✭weisses


    The USA ... Backwards thinking filthy shithole.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,548 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    While I think that today is an awful day for America, the abortion rights they enjoyed under Roe v Wade were always really tenuous.

    The right to an abortion should not originally have been based on the Supreme Court's interpretation of privacy rights in a constitution from the 1700s. This right should have been Federal law passed through Congress. Their system of Government is so broken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,755 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It is irrelevant to us here in Ireland. Whatever you think of the decision, legislating through the courts is the stupidest way as what's given by one set of judges can be taken away by another.

    The US will be forced to confront this issue now head on and it's representatives actually do their jobs and legislate.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Yet every thread you come in here to say the exact same thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    pretty sure thats not a hypothetical scenario, most likely people will end up taking their own lives because of this. slight irony possibly though that the original poster was offering 'prayers' when part of the problem here is fundamental christians.


    interesting how youre able to use the internet from the 1800s.......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 JustAnotherLemonTree


    Absolutely fantastic news.

    America for all her faults is still salvageable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Or I've actually heard from such women this morning.

    Yes I am for real. You can jog on or laugh IDGAF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,322 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Will this now embolden anti abortionists in this country to fight back?

    No, because we did essentially the same thing in 2018 - take jurisdiction over the issue away from courts and constitutions and put it in the hands of elected representatives - and it has had the polar opposite effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,606 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    You going to be adopting a few of these unwanted babies?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,755 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It's alright for overheal to come onto every thread though and say the exact same democratic party line every time though. It seems some want to turn this current affairs forum on an Irish site over to the American culture war.

    Maybe you might try and contextualise it then on how it impacts us here?



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