The twelfth is upon us again

No issue with your celebrations.

What is predictable is you, the OO and Unionism failing to take responsibility for the 'celebrations' the world sees.

Victimhood rampant again.

I think you can now see that boards.ie contributors are further along the human evolution journey, than huffing angry red-faced pot-bellied fools, who feel the need to march like a bunch of apes banging stuff and lighting bonfires with silly slogans and effigies.

.....did you not just land into the fecking thread highlighting an isolated incident?

One that despite your poor-me-ing is rumoured to have actually been carried out by rival bonfire builders from your own side?

G'way and sh*te with your usual hypocrisy, Downcow. For an isolated incident, it's amazing that not a single year passes without multiple examples of absolutely vile behaviour. Isolated my a*se.

I've seen enough of the Twelfth, 'celebrations' to know it'll never be an event I'd want to bring my children to. You're welcome to it yourself, but your, 'oh such a wonderful and inclusive PG rated celebration' b*llocks fools absolutely no one who's been within a ten mile radius of the marching season.

downcow thinks we don't understand his 'culture'. We and the world understand it totally.

I'm probably a bit more appreciative of quite a lot of Unionist culture than yourself, Francie.....but even Edward Stevenson himself would struggle to keep a straight face with Downcow's rose tinted glasses.

I don't think the 12th is beyond reform, Francie. I just don't think that'll ever happen when Unionists like Downcow try to pretend there's nothing wrong and we're just imagining the sh*t that happens every single year because it is sectarian of us to be opposed to all the effigy burning and sectarian chanting.

Downcow, stop being coy, this is exactly the reaction you wanted. You specifically posted your opening comment to rile everyone up.

That way you and Francie can have yet another thread where you bounce off each other in the desperate attempt to radicalise us all into one or other of your sides.

It's clear your purpose was to ask for reasons why people do not support the 12th celebrations just so that you could say it was just nationalist prejudice.

I mean, what possible reason could we give that you wouldn't say was nationalist prejudice? Maybe fire safety or the environment?

There's more than me that challenge downcow routinely on this site.

The 12th is the only 'cultural' celebration event I know of that seems to be primarily focused on desecrating the symbols of the neighbouring culture. How it can be viewed as a celebration of Britishness and Protestantism in Northern Ireland is beyond me. It's rooted in supremacy, sectarianism and racism. Compare it to St. Patrick's day, where people celebrate the positivity of Irish culture, which is done worldwide. Not a single Union Jack or British emblem is burned.

Not to mention the environmental impact of burning 1000s of pallets and the clean up required in the aftermath.

I can't think of a single positive element to this celebration. I'm not even sure what it is even designed to celebrate. I didn't realise that the Williamite army celebrated their victory over the Jacobite army with a flurry of bonfires where the flag of a nation not even established yet was routinely set alight.

The marches are one thing and could pass as a positive cultural event. But the fires are a sick joke.

Nationalist 'infatuation' has made the north a better place to live in by curtailing the orgy of hate that the 12th was and still is in places.

Only for it, you'd be on here defending much more widerspread taunting and religious suprematism that my father's generation had to endure.

Maybe it's a northern thing but I've never seen anything set alight at a St Patrick's Day parade.