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Neighbor has Japanese Knotweed

  • 25-06-2022 11:55am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭


    Hey, so my neighbour 2 doors up has a problem with Japanese knotweed, it's about ten foot high at this point and has come into my other neighbors yard next door to me. There is a small bit in my yard, but I've sprayed it and it is being kept at bay for the minute. I spoke to my neighbor about it a few months ago, when it was not so much, and left them know that they should probably do something about it. He suffers from depression and is in his 60's and already has a caved in infested shed that he is not doing anything about, so it can be very difficult to get him to do anything.

    Now, with it so overgrown, it's definitely going to encroach my yard. Is there anything I can do, I've contacted the council, the guy I spoke to on the phone was less than useless, he started telling me the problems with Japanese Knotweed and what needs to be done to kill it, I told him I knew all that, but I wanted to know if there were anything they could do to help in my situation, cue the same thing repeated by him....



    So here I am, with this situation, there's no point in me treating my yard I believe, as it will just keep coming back.


    Any experience or suggestions would be greatly appreciated-thanks!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    Tell him there's a rats nest somewhere and you are getting infested. Ask him to let you in and clear his garden to eliminate it from the possibility. I had to do that years ago with a weird neighbour over briars and bindweed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,304 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Or just offer to sort his garden



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,812 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Just sorting his garden could be a very lengthy and expensive operation. Just disposing of the waste is a job for a professional set up. However there does not appear to be any very conclusive answers for the OP. This article https://scsi.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/SCSI-Knotweed-Guidance-Notes-2.pdf gives some information.

    IN THE UK If your neighbour has Japanese knotweed on their property, they are under no legal obligation to remove Japanese knotweed from their own property. However, if it starts to encroach upon your property they are causing a private nuisance and therefore are open to court action.

    https://www.japaneseknotweedexpert.co.uk/faq/neighbour-has-japanese-knotweed/

    It is difficult to find information for Ireland but presumably the situation is similar to the UK. Taking your neighbour to court doesn't seem like a very useful (or kind) way of approaching the situation.

    How many gardens are affected - yours and the house between, what about in the other direction and off the bottom of the garden? Could you all get together and offer to treat the whole lot? A group might have more chance of nagging the council into action also.

    Don't stop treating the stuff in your garden or it will very quickly get out of hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,275 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    I think your council will do it for you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭macvin


    Round-Up is the best option. Start spray now, then again mid Aug and then again at end of Sept.

    That probably will be enough, but you may need to repeat next summer/autumn.

    Ask the neighbour if he will allow you spray his side too.


    Best value is a 5L drum of roundup from the agri shops like Liffey Mills / Quinns / Co-op. About €90 and will be enough for several applications of a large area.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭Ham Grenade




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    It's not regular weeds, this is Japanese Knotweed, as has been said, it's very expensive and an area that side would need to be handled by a professional, for me, it would be expensive and time consuming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,275 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    I know you can buy small retail containers over the counter in a garden shop etc. but you might need a PU number for a larger one from an agri shop? Places might not sell it to you without one. Technically they don't need to require it but I think most places do blanketly in practice to make sure they are covered


    As I mentioned above, report to Council and I think they take care of it for free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    Ideally, if it were regular weeds, this would be a solution, as it's not regular weeds, this really is not an option, unfortunately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 95 ✭✭Ham Grenade




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    I've been in touch with a councillor, it's being looked into, as the infestation is so bad and threatens a much larger area in the vicinity, they may have to revisit the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    Thanks, yeah, the option is there to go the legal route, but it's something I try to avoid unless necessary, and especially since he already has mental health problems.

    Currently there is his, the neighbour between us, and a small bit of mine, the neighbor between us has his house rented, I dont think he is as concerned as I am, although I have said it to him, but he seems at a loss as what to do also, and has contacted his local td.


    My suggestion was for 4 of us to get together and treat it, even though I'm the one least effected, but some people rather pay nothing, I see in properties how quickly things get out of hand, but some people dont look forward.


    Good advice, I'll continue to spray mine.


    Yeah, I'll keep in touch with the councill also, and see if some other option arises, it may even be worth me ringing the Environmental officer, as I have had him out before to the same neighbor over a leaking oil tank, he got him to act on it, and treated it well after I explained to him that the neighbor also suffers from mental health issues, so his intervention might be good in this situation also.



    Thanks again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ballyharpat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭NUTLEY BOY



    AFAIK Japanese Knotweed must be dealt with by specialist contractors. I think that mechanical and chemical DIY jobs are best avoided on the basis that this stuff spreads like crazy if not dealt with in the right way.

    I have seen knotweed warning signs at a site in Booterstown and on the railway beside Sandymount station making it very clear that it was present and that it was not to be handled / removed. So, I infer that it is real very troublesome.

    As far as suing is concerned I would see this as a case of private nuisance and one of the reliefs that I would seek would be an injunction ordering the neighbour to abate the nuisance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,812 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    JK probably should be treated by specialist contractors, however with an intelligent approach and awareness of all the issues a self help approach would probably be better than none at all. Specialist contractors are expensive and its very doubtful the neighbour would have the ability or willingness to pay them. Since the authorities are treating the whole thing in a very hands-off kind of way - some advice but no enforcement - its hard to see how they can challenge someone trying to treat it themselves.

    The biggest issue is often trying to persuade people not to cut it or dispose of it - there are some very stubborn people who won't be guided.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    Yeah, I think most people dont understand the seriousness of it, the last few weeks, it has spread massively. It can take over acres as well as damage buildings, in a short space of time.


    Thank you, I will look into a case of 'private nuisance', and see if it helps-much appreciated!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,494 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Can the Department of Agriculture do anything?



  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭Rickytumtum


    It’s also an offence under the Birds Regultations and Wildlife Act to allow it to grow (without taking reasonable steps to address).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,973 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    Dont know where you are but most councils have a not on it

    Is Japanese knotweed a regulated species in Ireland? Yes, under Regulation 49(2) any person who plants, disperses, allows or causes to disperse, spreads or otherwise causes to grow Japanese knotweed or any of the other invasive plants listed in the 2 Version 1.0, released August, 2016 Third Schedule of the European Communities (Birds and Natural Habitats) Regulations, 2011 (S.I. No. 477 of 2011) shall be guilty of an offence. Furthermore, Sections 52(7) and (8) of the Wildlife Act, 1976, as amended,1 make it an offence to plant or otherwise cause to grow in a wild state exotic species of plants.

    I have Japanese knotweed on my land, do I have to get rid of it? Yes, you should take action to control and eradicate this plant from your site. By doing nothing it could be considered an offence by ‘allowing’ it to be dispersed or spread. It also makes sense to try and control and eradicate the plant from the site sooner rather than later as the longer it is left to expand and spread, the more resources will be required to deal with it. Japanese knotweed is growing near my house, should I be concerned? In most instances, Japanese knotweed and the other invasive knotweeds are growing far enough away from a house for it not to be an imminent threat but one that should be dealt with before it spreads closer to your home. If you can see Japanese knotweed growing above ground and within about 10 meters of your house then you should seek expert advice on assessing the risks to your home. While the rhizomes (underground part of the plant) are said to grow out to about 7 meters horizontally and 3 meters vertically, in reality this tends to be much less. However, spread of rhizomes beyond 7 meters has been documented where an easy route such as along ducting is available. There is an infestation of Japanese knotweed on a neighbouring property and it is spreading into my land, who is responsible to get rid of it? The landowner is responsible to ensure that they are not causing or allowing it to be dispersed or spread and should take action to control it. It is an offence for anyone to cause or allow it to be dispersed or spread2 . 


    from waterford coco

    https://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/media/environment/JapaneseKnotweed_FAQ_24082016.pdf



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 10,518 Mod ✭✭✭✭5uspect


    To be clear, there is no evidence this will cause structural damage.

    It's a nasty weed but your house will be fine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    Yeah, Ive contacted a few different departments, also sent a note to them and reported an 'invasive species' , Hopefully someone will reply.


    There are many councils/departments that say it's illegal not to act on it and they are subject to the law, but like everything in this country, it's not enforced, so it's not worth the paper it's written on, unfortunately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭vinnie_cork


    Its not a council issue unless its a council house. It is entirly private civil matter.

    As the owner of the property you are responsible. Unfortunately, maybe legal advise into taking legal action agaist the neighbor if he fails to act upon it.

    JK will affect your house insurance & will affect any sale should you wish to move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,275 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Well at least a few years ago a friend of mine worked for a company that was contracted by a council to eradicate knotweed, including from private property. That may have changed but that was the process at the time - ring the council and they'd send someone to eradicate it from your property.



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