Russia - threadbanned users in OP

NATO forces would not fight a ground war, aerial strikes alone would have Russia crippled in a week.

Russia are using equipment that was old in the first Iraq war in the 90s.

They are decades behind the West militarily.

I think the concern for NATO would be that a mild intervention by a token force of theirs would see such a rapid collapse and destruction of the Russian army that it might destabilise the entire country.

The artillery the Russians use are about 60 years old, and have about half the range of Western artillery and artillery.

6 to 8 weeks time is August!!You've got winter in your head.I think you are a christmas lover.What is santa bringing you?..a nuclear bomb?

Maybe to-day's attack on Kyiv might be intended to break Ukrainian morale, but surely it will strengthen the hand of Biden and Johnson against the weaker elements in the G7 (Macron and Scholz).

Goes once again to show Putin as the master strategist. 😎

This line has been trotted out for weeks now yet even Ukraine admit it's an extremely difficult phase of the war and public opinion polls across Europe show a majority of people are now more concerned about rising prices than they are about Ukraine winning the war, and even staunch supporters of Ukraine talk of fatigue and splits in unity.

The war is in a critical phase and could yet tip either way. All objective media are in agreement on this. Yet the same group of keyboard warriors here, thousands of kilometres away from any danger, keep insisting final Ukrainian victory is just around the corner.

Kyiv needs an Iron dome or patriot system now euro leaders must act

The winter Ukraine needs long range artillery & f16s 2 protect them

Russia cannot be apeased it won't stop expansion while been funded by the west

China NK India all capable of trading arms for Russian oil so they won't run out of weapon and some parts of Asia have cheaper energy

That's the very problem on this thread, anyone who isn't relentlessly positive and militant is labelled either a Russian stooge or a defeatist. With a tiny group of troll exceptions that is not at all what we are. Nearly all of us are fully supportive of Ukraine and full of admiration for the incredible resistance they've shown. We're just being realistic and saying Ukraine is facing some major difficulties and the fairytale David versus Goliath ending of sending the Russians running is looking increasingly unlikely.

And you can be absolutely sure that behind the scenes at the G7 there is a lot of talk of compromise and what solution beyond total Ukrainian victory might be acceptable. It should be possible to discuss that here without immediately being attacked or told "you have a hardon for Russia" and other such idiotic insults.

Nothing new in this as Putin has been talking about doing the same things for 3 months now. I am puzzled by Lukashenko on one hand he is trying to keep his country out of the war and on the other hand he wants all that Russian hardware in his country. What is his game? Putin wants support from another country and I am only surprised that one of his patsies in the est has not yet come on board. I know Kazakhstan has no time for Putin but what about the rest of them. No one seems to want to help Russia even though it's clear Putin is trying to drag someone them into the war. What about the odd attempt coup in Kazak 4 months ago. Was that an attempt by Putin to put in place a more friendly regime that could be called upon to help Russia in its war? Considering how easy Europe rowed in behind Ukraine and NATO and of course, the USA. Putin sure does look as though he is on his own. That must be killing Putin slowly.

Hopefully, the Ukraine does not take the bate and attack Belarusian territory. that's what Putin wants. Hopefully too more missile defence gear will be supplied to Ukraine very soon. Those Iskander missiles are now a big threat to Kyiv.

It won't matter that much, they owe very little as is.