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What electric car is actually available?

  • 26-06-2022 5:37pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,296 ✭✭✭


    What’s list of cars that are actually available to buy in some kind of a reasonable timeframe? Ie if you order now you will have it by year end let’s say.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭KildareP


    It seems from my own experience over the last two weeks, none new anyway...

    Hyundai: been told Ioniq and Kona are now realistically looking at September 2023 for orders placed "today".

    Nissan: Leaf second half of 2023, Ariya "sometime" in 2023.

    Peugeot: e208, e2008, early-mid 2023.

    MG: ZS 2023, couldn't give any sort of timeframe even as far as first or second half.

    Polestar: Only the long range dual motor is suggesting "Late August", everything else is unavailable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,268 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Hyundai and Nissan garages are both saying production delays and orders are coming in faster than they can produce so the backlog is getting worse, not better. And as others here are mentioning it appears orders for the forseeable only secure your place in the queue, they don't guarantee either price or spec.

    Not suprising in some respects to see demand jumping - diesel €214.9 at Circle K Kill inbound this morning which is normally one of the better priced stations on my commute and I fully expect that to continue on upwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,296 ✭✭✭893bet


    It’s pretty unbelievably demand!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,907 ✭✭✭micks_address


    You might be lucky if you put your name down for a cancellation. I am getting an ID4 in next few weeks purely because i chanced calling my dealer in april and asked about any potential cancellations for July.. i fully expected him to laugh at me but there was one available and i took it.. of course i had no choice of colour or spec etc but it was / is grand..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Am considering that myself, but it seems that most orders are for the shorter range as opposed to long range options.

    Due to work I need to be able to at least get from Dublin to Cork, Galway or Belfast and a good bit of the way back with zero prior notice before I have to factor in a charge. Most non-long range versions of the ioniq, Kona or Leaf don't seem to be able to do that comfortably in worse case scenarios like winter or poor weather.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭celtic_oz


    Pricey!



  • Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭VikingG


    No not really - though that is a handy shortcut for them, try to buy a laptop or phone do you think you need to wait a year. The issue is really the same problem as Dublin Airport - Car production dropped over 20% over the pandemic and they cant recover that constrained production capacity quickly enough - and it's even worse for BEVs as the required investment in new lines was delayed while they waited to see what would happen with Covid. The final nail then is unanticipated demand. It was interesting when I was test driving the EV6 last month the salesman said that when they first saw the 50K+ price tag they thought that no one would buy it now he cant even accept an order for one.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Straight answer, look to used and snap it (whatever "it" is) as soon as advertised



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭ddarcy


    Really it’s getting on the phone and ringing dealers. For instance VW has a couple of ships coming into port from last week and I believe next week. They may have included a few extra that will go to dealers.

    for instance personally I know from work of a id3 tour 5 that should be available in a month or less that is a cancelled order. They cancelled and got a model 3 instead. But have no idea if it’s already been claimed, etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,268 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ah id beg to differ, the modern car has an enormous amount of electronics, this is probably even more the case with electric, some believing this can be as much as hundreds, if not thousands of chips, start multiplying that by typical factory outputs, and you got a serious problem, if you cant get them, quickly enough! add in all of the other disruptions of supply chains, and you d be lucky to get the shell of a car created in a factory. id say complex supply chains and complex manufacturing facilities such as cars, are all over the place, then add in the increase in demand..... forget about it....



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,564 ✭✭✭eagerv


    I think some on here have recently ordered a Tesla Model 3. While delivery was quoted as 2023, it now looks like possibly later this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Not exactly answering your question but if you need an EV and can't wait up to a year for a new one there's a good selection of used one for sale in the UK. A quick look at one UK website shows 315 VW's 475 Audi's 59 Toyota's 765 Nissan's etc. etc. With import duties etc they're not cheap but something to consider until the market settles down in two to three years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,268 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,189 ✭✭✭shanec1928


    that may be the case for consumer electronics, but there are massive delays for enterprise electronics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭monseiur


    I'm no expert on E cars but take for example this random sample off a website : VW ID4 City 52 KWH registered July 2021 mileage 5,860 Price £38,990 (sterling) comes with warranty. I would assume that the battery should be good as new.



  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    Theres huge delays with all types of cars. ICE, PHEV and BEV….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,907 ✭✭✭micks_address


    read an article on batteries over the weekend. Was basically saying should be good for 5 to 6 years.. after that they will need to be replaced. It was talking more from the angle of recycling facilities for batteries as its a very complex process... have to be basically melted at extreme temperatures or using acid to melt them down.. there is a server shortage of facilities compared to the number of ev cars being sold...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,268 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yea im hearing something similar, and battery replacements arent coming in cheap, some as much as 10k+, thats gonna be a problem for many, including myself!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭pjdarcy


    There are so many variables when it comes to battery life that it's really impossible to say how long each one will last. e.g. has it been fast charged at lot, how many charging cycles has it gone through, is it routinely charged to 100% and/or discharged to 0%, does the car have good battery management etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,268 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...and by any chance is our serious lack of public chargers, badly effecting all of that!



  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    We were in County Louth on business last week, saw signs at several charging stations stating maximum stay was three hours. It was from Louth County Council.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,934 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The Nissan Leaf is 12yrs old, Zoe is 10yrs. If the batteries only lasted 5yrs none of them older than that, would be still be on the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭celtic_oz


    Painful to keep hearing these myths regarding battery life still..




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Total jibberish, I sold our Leaf at 5 years old and battery at 92%, sold our Tesla Model S at 7 years old and battery at 91%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,910 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Exactly. I’ve a 2012 Leaf and it has 9 of 12 bars remaining. And that’s the one with the worst battery chemistry of the lot.

    Stay Free



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,099 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    The other reason there is a severe shortage in recycling facilities is that it it just doesn't make sense yet. There is more economic value in finding a use for the battery cells than recycling them for raw materials. The order of Reduce, Reuse, Recycle matters, a 2nd life is better than recycling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭UID0


    It would be interesting to see what percentage of the older EVs are still on the road, and compare it to the percentage of ICE vehicles from the same year still on the road.

    There is constant misinformation being spread about the lifespan of batteries. Yes, the range drops over time, but its a gradual drop. It doesn't just work perfectly and then drop to 0. The same happens with ICE vehicles - they get less efficient with time, but people generally don't notice because they just fill up as required. Most people don't travel beyond the range of an EV, even an older EV, on a daily basis.

    The degradation of a battery is mostly based on age, how quickly it gets charged and if it has spent a lot of time sitting with very high or very low states of charge. If the battery is mostly slow charged (true of most EVs in the country) and has not been left sitting fully charged or with a very low state of charge, then the degradation is minimal. This country is almost perfect for EVs as the temperatures don't generally get too hot or too cold.

    Why do you have to get a good bit of the way back? If you have to make a stop coming back anyway, what difference does it make where it is, provided you can charge at a decent speed? Also, is there any possibility of destination charging wherever you go?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Volvo C40's are supposed to be for delivery in Dec. Might be some for Sep if not gone already.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭KildareP


    It's to client sites so no option for destination charging in most cases unfortunately. If it wasn't for work then long range wouldn't need to be a factor for the vast majority of my driving.

    By make it a good bit of the way back, I mean if I head from home (Kildare) to Dublin (office) and then have to go to Cork at short notice for example, I want to be able to get there non-stop and then get back onto the M8 comfortably and pull in to charge at a location where I'd naturally be stopping anyway (even in the diesel I wouldn't do a there and back non-stop both ways).

    I'd also like the headroom to allow for busy/out of action chargers to still be able continue on without worrying I'll not make it to the next service station.

    My fear - irrational as it may be - is I'll be facing into a drive back the whole way headed full on into a gale force wind on a freezing cold, wet winter's night and be constantly glued to the dash hoping I'll make it to the next working charger in time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,268 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...maybe they have higher priorities after work, such as child raring, and/or maintaining their own well being etc etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭UID0


    It's not an irrational fear. It's part of what I've asked anyone who's looking at getting an EV who's asked me about it. Look at long journeys you have to do regularly, and divide them into the different parts of the journey to determine the longest distance you will have to travel without charging. Then find a car that can do that in the worst weather it is possible you will need to drive it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,934 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    "how do I choose a EV" is a slightly different subject to "what's available"

    Especially if its drive kildare/dublin/cork non stop both ways, at the drop of a hat with no notice in the worst winter weather. I think you should work that in another thread in the EV forum.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Generally perfect.

    The same as an engine in a second hand ICE. Some will be better than others but on the most part, no problems.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Thumper Long


    Aye order for M3 placed June 17th estimated delivery Aug 22nd to October 7th was to be Q1 ‘23



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,328 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Based on your work life I would advise you to steer clear (pun intended!) of E cars and get yourself a comfortable, reliable ICE car, something like an Audi A4 automatic, diesel of course. You can pick up a decent one with low mileage, say 192 reg with under 40k miles for under €25k. With regular service etc. you could drive relaxed without ''range anxiety'' for the next 5 to 10 years and by then the infrastructure for E cars may be country wide - just as petrol/diesel pumps are today. Granted the price of diesel is going the wrong way and will keep on that trajectory for some time yet. But the savings re. for example the above mentioned Audi and a new E car (in the same league) is substantial and by the time it's time to replace the Audi chances are the E cars will have dropped in price as the manufacturers start mass producing and second hand ones become more common. I sincerely hope that you don't believe the fallacy that E car are more enviormentally friendly, that is simply not the case and the deeper you dig the more this will become apparent. The carbon foot print of E cars is bigger and deeper that what some would like you to believe but it does not suit the current narrative to say this out loud at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,600 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    @OP Have you tried the Citroen E-C4? Maybe that is availible. I am surprised with all the shortages that there is not more of them on the roads. They are a good car.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭Gile_na_gile


    New doesn't seem to be an option if you want a car to start saving on rocketing fuel costs now. Best case second-hand for a long-distance work car that doesn't need a lot of carry room might be a SH Kona or e-Niro, since they have reasonably quick charge times and CCS. Or you could get lucky with cancellations as others said or an almost-new second hand car like a Model 3 RWD / Model 3 LR.

    The present scenario shows how lucky the rest of us were to get / change EVs before the mass shortages bit. That said, I see Kia EV6 and Ioniq 5 models every day so there are a lot of 221 EVs out there based on preorders. At least the pool of EVs is increasing even if demand is very high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,578 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    I don't think a fully electric is for you, was in a similar position with less distance to Cork bought an ID3 it was an absolute disaster come wintertime had to get rid of it after 12k, went back to petrol for 12mts have recently moved to a plug in hybrid, averaging about 62mpg with plenty of motorway, i've never charged it when away from home, nearly all local is done on electric (70km battery range) and if i'm on the motorway I hold the battery for either end of the journey, really happy with the economy and stress free motoring, I'll probably go fully electric again at some stage but i'm in no rush and there's very little suitable cars as I need to be able to tow over 2 tons which the plugin can do on battery alone. Have to wait until January before the bik drops to the same as a full electric it's something to watch out for if your thinking of going plug in hybrid.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,934 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Which Hybrid as a matter of interest. Curious about the battery size.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,578 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    xc60 T8, 18.8kWh, I was puling 2.5 ton the other day and managed about 40km out of the battrery, it's usually about 70km but have got close to 100 once.



  • Registered Users Posts: 808 ✭✭✭podge1979


    It is the chip shortage, automotive industry dropped orders in the pandemic and went to the back of the queue in semiconductors (also burnt bridges with their suppliers).

    They now have to fight for priority with consumer electronics which also is a much bigger market for semiconductors.

    Also cars can have over 150 ECU multiple sensors camera etc. Which all have semi conductors so you can't compare it to laptops.

    More shut downs in China due to COVID hasn't helped and also some car companies have had exposure to suppliers in Ukraine and Russia. E.g VW had to resource a wiring loom supplier who was based in Ukraine.

    If it was a capacity issue and not component issue why are they temporally shutting production lines in to he past few months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,707 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    There may still be some Volvo C40 MY22 Twin Engine Pro models around dealers. When I checked with our dealer on Friday he had 3 left.

    There should be quite a few Volvo XC40 BEV 231hp (single engine) MY23 Ultimate models due in late September / early October. Volvo Ireland got a lot of production slots recently, so each dealer would have got an allocation of those.

    On the last stock list I got from our Audi dealership (last Monday) there were 7 e-tron's available - variety of Advance/Sport/S-Line's.

    BMW i4 will be some point next year - probably Q2 at least. iX I think can be ordered and iX3 but I can't remember lead times.

    Forget about the EV6 or Ioniq 5 until some point next year. Q4 e-tron and Enyaq we've been told are 2024 at this stage. ID3, ID4, ID5 we're being quoted Q1 2023 for delivery. Mazda sold all their MX30's and I can't remember when the next lot are due - only 200km range as well, so not too much interest in that.

    Toyota have BZ4X due in October I think. I think Citroen's are out until very late in the year, or January at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,832 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    To clarify - you mean you expect to stop somewhere on the M8 AFTER visiting the Client/site in Cork??????.

    EV technology isn't quite there yet.

    I mean yes a person can do a 350 mile* journey in an EV - but youd need 2 stops to charge to do it comfortably.

    Especially at 120 km/hr which with that type of working day you'd probably be looking to do.

    If I was doing that journey in an EV I'd probably want to stop once on way down and then once on the way back.

    In something like an EV6 you could travel as far as Cashel at 247 kms - charge enough to get back to Cashel again

    And stop again on the return leg.

    What I presume you want to do is get from your house in the morning as far as say Portlaoise on the RETURN leg later that evening with no charge stops required.

    *based on Kildare Town to Swords, Swords to Ringaskiddy in Cork, Ringaskiddy to Kildare Town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭KildareP


    The Kona 64KWh supposedly can do it comfortably (Home (out bog of Allen direction) --> Naas Road --> Cork city --> stopoff at Fermoy for top-up charge, which is about 340KM or so --> Home, another 200KM or so. At 340KM between charges this would also allow some comfort room if the chargers at Fermoy were busy/out of action etc.

    Nissan Leaf, perhaps less so.

    Ioniq 5 or EV6 I imagine the aerodynamics given it's size and weight at 120KM might be much tighter.

    Sadly, as per the thread title though, what electric car is available today, there doesn't seem to be an EV to be had until mid-late 2023!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭innrain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Would be interesting to see does this play out in reality (actual delivery date moving back to this year) as Tesla website still stating Jan-Mar 2023.



  • Registered Users Posts: 91 ✭✭Bioscaller


    There are plenty of ID4 Life 174bhp versions left to grab for this July.

    Same goes for the Subaru Solterra. Still available orders left for July/August.

    Also, plenty of ID3s will come out of PCP this July/August to the secondhand market.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,066 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I don’t think my mentality would last a 350 mile trip that has to be done daily!

    Or do you mean 350km? As you mention 350 miles at 120 km/h 🤷‍♂️



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