Suspected case of Foot and Mouth in UK with rapid diversion into Agribusiness policies and politics.

That's the truth of it, people are using subsidy money to buy jeeps tractors and improve their farm if they work off farm, simple enough to pull in 10000 in subs now on a 30 ha farm and TAMS is improving the farms if farmers are prepared to work.

City dwellers aren't spoofing when they say farmers have it all...... an extra 7000/farm announced this week

Sure wasn’t GLAS supposed to be €5000/farm with GLAS + being an extra €2000, don’t know many that got the full amount. TAMs is great but you have to have the funds

Ah hold on you need to be pulled up on this "The moaning city dweller can get plenty of grant aid as well if they want to set up a business for example. There are no end of startup supports etc out there"

There is fook all for Business start ups. Nada Zilch. I have been through the process, I even had to pay towards the Start your own Business course and a couple of other course available. There is no start up grants unless you are investing north of 5 million or going to employ more than 100 people.

You can avail of a low cost loan up to €25k from the local enterprise board at a slightly reduced interest rate, but you'll pay back every cent. Them same enterprise boards will offer you Industrial space if you want but at a criminal rent so forget that one.

As soon as you open your doors for Business you are hit Commercial rates from day zero.

No end to startup supports my hole. Easily know you are of the Silver spooned landed Gentry

Why don't you read what you Google, show me where all these Grants are. You'll see that it's nothing more than Loans and Bullshite all wrapped up togather.

Ah here you know it all so.

As I said have a read through all those supports and come back and list the Grants available to a start up Business or just **** off with your Bullshite instead

Them Grants are only for very high opportunity start ups with high potential, they must have Intellectual property protection in place etc or for Tech startups with high potential and even then all they are really offering is maybe 12 months of office space in an incubation hub.

You are just frantically googling without reading the T&C's and trying to imply that there' loads of grants out there for startups. There's fook all. Give over the Bullsh1tting

I've no objection to grants for farmers, under the current EU CAP regime it is the correct course of action. You on the other hand are putting out blatant falsehoods about the availability of startup grants for Businesses outside of the Agriculture sector as a means to justify Agricultural Grants.

Anyway it's like talking to a wall at this stage.....so carry on

I got a good grant for a small business from the County enterprise board for a young fellow locally, also a friend got nearly 100% grant to set up a newspapershredder for animal bedding, so they are available

I cant say what the grant was for, but the newspaper shredding was a different case.

This might help. It has to be a business not in competition with another local business, Ideal for a new Idea.

https://www.localenterprise.ie/FAQs/

They say they're not going to grant aid businesses that put other businesses out of business and you can see their point

So your 'factory rep' has been telling you they have been increasing prices for the last 12 months plus!!

So has he been telling you this - or actually increasing prices? Do you know what a cartel is? A cartel fixes prices to advantage its members.

By definition a cartel must be lowering prices to its suppliers. So if it has INCREASED prices for 12 months it cannot be a cartel.

Apparently two weeks ago the average Irish price was HIGHER than the British and European average.

And Irish farmers were that sad/lazy that they couldn't build a factory of their own.... hard to comprehend isn't it,for all the reasons you mentioned.

We didn't have the lowest price in Europe, Poland had and anytime I was in France on an IFA junket, french price to farmers was lower than here.

On investigating factories, what goes on in factories is none of anyones business no more thatn any business

It's not compulsory for farmers to sell to them, farmers can go where they like with their cattle

I'd contend that it more or less is compulsory to sell to them if we are talking fit animals .......that is their final destination after all...one way or another that is who you are slling to unless its pedigree/breeding etc

+ they have a spurious 30 month limit that devalues your stock if you choose to hold and ensures more throughput and heads....nothing will convince me that **** isnt a swizz and they would like it lower if they could to exert even more control on the supply as would other vested interests...

The thirty month limit and the resultant reduction in producer price is one of the greatest scams ever dreamt up . One which continues to be accepted by the farm organisations .