Fall of the Catholic Church

Typical church , you’re actually asking me to out a rape victim online , that’s all “proof “ will give you.

I can say the rapist was then moved to another area in catholic fashion and anally raped some more

now that I’m thinking, as children we joked about dodgey priests and what they’d do in the sacristy, it’s only when we hit our teens we realised the humour was coming from a very real place and there were victims

the court of law convicted the priest he's an official rapist (dead rapist ). I do agree it's difficult to convict parishiners for being dickheads and persecuting the victims family and those who tried to out the priest

And your post was what Diddums???? Me Sad? Nope, never felt better, happy out, more than you can say, I think, but fire away anyway, I'm killing time at the moment, watching the grass growing.

Here we go again. Conveniently we just have to take your word for it. Good man. What with the avoidance of providing any shred of proof and the name calling, you really are something else.

Ok. Let's just accept everything you say without questioning.

Isnt that the very hyphothesis that most trying to dismiss the catholic church seem to take issue with?

And stop playing the victim. I never asked you for an address. You casually threw out a "fact". We are supposed to accept what you say without question. And then you whinge, moan and name call when you are challenged. I am not denying what you say, and am not calling you a liar. But without facts being presented here, I cannot accept it.

But but ... but nothing. You cannot deduce that because someone else did something, this person must have. Try that in any legal framework and be seen for a clown.

It's the preponderence of evidence that you're ignoring. Unless, of course, every single fact presented in, say, the Bible, needs to be proven too? That whole walk on water/loaves and fishes thing? And, as far as I can tell from the thread, was he planning on bringing charges?

What you're doing here is precisely what the other poster is not doing. You are suggesting that we do not take things as fact unless they are quite easily proven and verified. The other is suggesting we must do so. Which is it to be?

I don't need to pass the paywall to see what it is is about, because I experienced it myself...the beatings for the slightest excuse or none. The whole class being lined up in two rows ( except business peoples sons , naturally!! ) and getting 12 strokes of a cane or stiffened leather strap across the bare hands... then expected to be able to hold a pen and write afterwards, or face 6 more. The brother / teacher sneaking around the classroom, as the students were head down writing or studying, and then the completely unexpected belt across the back of the head. The rows of pictures on the walls, all with the glass cracked or broken from pupils being lifted up, sometimes by the ears, and having their heads smashed against the pictures. The beatings given to "Kiteogs" to stop them writing with their left hands. Yeah, I remember. But it needs to be made clear, all the teachers did it, and it was not exclusively just the religious teachers. Lay teachers, men and women, were every bit as capable of laying into the pupils too, and in some cases, even worse. It was as they say " The times that were in it" and for sure you did not mention it at home But even then not all of them took it to the extreme's that the worst ones did. Sometimes you got beaten because in all honesty, you deserved it. And with some of them lay and religious, their hearts were not really in it. I will always remember one lady ( I use the term advisedly) who was at least as viscous as the worst of the male teachers, and had absolutely no problem with laying into 12,13 or 24 year old boys, who in some cases were bigger then her. But she was helped by the fact that the terror was well ingrained in us. A few week's ago, I met a classmate I had not seen for many years, and we spoke about the school days, and this is what he had to say " What could you learn in a place where every single minute of every hour and day, you were in a state of terror?". He got that right.

But anyway, for the record, Yes the CBS did abuse the kids in their care. And so did the lay teachers, but here on this thread, the venom is reserved for the religious. In my time, I did meet good people in the Irish education system as it was back then, both Lay and Religious. But the difference's between then and now, are indescribable, and incomparable. Sounds strange now to talk about the Cocoa Lady, with the bread and margarine sandwiches coming to the school each morning, to feed kids who had none or not enough food at home, and were hungry.

But but... all the schools in question were run by the Criminal Enterprise, so clearly the abuse was by design, don't you agree?

If the same beatings-as-policy were true for the non-denominational schools, (1) the Gardai might've been alerted and (2) there might've been consequences.

But, as these were schools run by the Criminal Enterprise, neither of these things happened. So, if a kid (like yourself?) complained to their parents about the beatings, what happened? "It was for your own good?" Would your parents have confronted Brother McWhacky about it? And, one could argue this is part-and-parcel of the Criminal Enterprise's non-support of Education in Ireland. They were responsible for educating, and they employed people who were immune from consequence of their abuses, both members of the Criminal Enterprise and not.

Really sad country this was back in the day. But, as they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely and nothing could be a better example than the activities of the Criminal Enterprise in Ireland. Fortunately, it's death grip on society, government and education is waning along with it's influence.

If corporal punishment was banned in 1982, when prior to that was it 'deserved?'

As you follow a cult largely driven by Penitential philosophy, I'm not sure you can answer that question, but do give it a go.

Sure. Your last three responces to me have been:

If that's not trolling, point out any issue or point that you raised, debated or even replied to.

So, corporal punishment was right for you? And, would you have been o.k. with it being dealt to your children? Did you do so yourself? I guess this is what Jeebus meant by suffer the children...

And, I don't think you get around much in non-Criminal Enterprise circles. So, your experience is not the rest of the worlds. The RCC is falling. Just can't happen fast enough as far as I'm concerned.

And, if I have expressed any hate, it's been for the Criminal Enterprise, which as you've agreed doesn't represent all Christians. Mostly I've called for its abolishment and removal from Irish Society as a stepping stone to its removal from all human societies. It's a malevolent organization that meets its own definitions of evil.

Fine. Put me on ignore.

What? Those posts meet the definition of trolling??? Really,??? I doubt it very much Princess, but I'm open to discussion, and I'm sure some one will be along to clarify matters. These comments were my answers to your posts Princess, in as much I felt that they needed to be replied to. But if you like, you can repost what your comment was that I trolled? And I'll have look at it again, OK? Happy?+