Suspected case of Foot and Mouth in UK with rapid diversion into Agribusiness policies and politics.

They're only a monopoly because farmers aren't capable of building a factory and competing,

A lot of those slaughter houses needed to close, they were rubbish. I left a lamb in this week to a butcher that has a slaughter house beside the main street in a village, how come he can do it right. I suppose he gets on with it, he doesn't whinge. Doesn't say much for farmers that can't do it for them selves.

nothing wrong with my ideology, if you don't do it the factories will have the ball at their foot in twelve mths again and I'll be still laughing at you.

Alas My BPS is another victim of whingers.

Those young people in 1975 that saved during their 20s got on the property ladder and those that didn't save didn't get on the property ladder It's the same now.

I know guys that are working twenty years and don't have a bob and those working the same and have houses now.

It's no harder now than 1975, don't forget interest rates were multiple of those now

It'll be a huge commitment if it's not nice to eat, tough or something

Ffs...are you for real....I think its clear from your post there's one or a combination of three things going on

1) you have a vested interest of some sort

2) you have a chip on your shoulder about some perceived or perhaps real injustice at the hands of other farmers or types of farmers in the past (or perhaps you had it hard and don't see why others should look to improve their lot, they should take their turn too)

3) you actually believe fully the shite you are spouting as you are some sort of hostage to an ideology or are suffering from a form of Stockholm syndrome.

Of course a business can do as they like..within what should be their remit ..I support fully their autonomy to set the prices they will pay etc

What I **** abhor is what appears to be a completely arbitrary age limit where the product I supply becomes devalued once it goes over it.....which effectively means more heads go through at lower prices etc .......

And don't give me horseshit about the customer wants it.....if the powers that be were being fined for driving more production and consumption by incentivising low value large volume production they would u turn in the morning with a shiny campaign about the value of aged beef and the environmental benefits probably meddle there too and expect you to carry an animal for 5/6 years before slaughter.....the limits are there to benefit the processing industry and other vested interests not the primary producer....and that's **** stepping out of their remit and into mine....I'm not whinging I'm saying it's **** rotten to the core afaic.....In a way you are right they can do what they want such is the inertia and power they've developed but that doesn't mean the imbalance shouldn't be addressed without a lad thinking you should set up your own factory or become a michael o leary of the beef processing world.

Some of the finest beef (wagyu/kobe aside) is produced from old dairy cows that are let out to graze for a couple of years..........after they've left their dairy life behind. Just goes to show what complete industry dreamed up tosh something like a 30 month limit is.....it should be declared criminal imo.

At the end of the day , while they can get enough beef they can set the parameters, that's the market

simples

If your statements are true why have farmers being sitting on their lazy arses for years doing nothing, one year should have been enough for any organisation to be non performing. I'll tell you why, no one can do any more. If there was any UTPs beef plan would 've highlighted them but all they could do was spread lies about coveney healy et al. Another dirty practise.

During the last protest 2012 I put in 20hr days for beef farmers, While beef farmers would arrive for few hours in the evening,, The joke was on them when RTE arrived at our factory and I couldn't find a beef farmer to talk to them, what a joke.

Whatabout crossing the county with a 50 seater bus for a protest and getting 17.... don't make me sick.

Whatabout being phoned one day to get support for a protest while I was trailering 550 ewes back to the yard for shearing and then being phoned the next day while we were shearing and told I wasn't doing enough......... sad farmers again, I had the sense to resign as county chairman that phonecall, again don't make me sick.

Your post is typical beefplan, discrediting IFA while not being fit to put together a replacement organisation.

As an average 120 acre farmer I've been very happy with the returns from farming, never in my dreams could I see the amount of money coming from 120 acres that I got. Apart from dairying, 120 acres could not be considered a full time job, even with the 550 ewes we'd only be working two days a week apart from lambing.

No benefit to me, I didn't want them, I didn't want them I'd be in the pub. OH often said to me why I wasn't in the photographs, she knew right well where I was

Sure we've lots of organisations, ICSA, ICMSA INHFA Small farmers Association etc

"On investigating factories, what goes on in factories is none of anyones business no more thatn any business"

Incorrect it's all of our business. Beef plants received and still receive millions of euro's in grant aid (our TAX's) be it the full cost of the VIA (Video Image Analysis) machines through to the services provided by DAFM, FSAI (Food Safety Authority of Ireland), DFA (Department of Foreign Affairs) etc, etc.

You and I have been on this carousel in the past and more often than I can count at this stage. And btw just to add for the umpteen time, the IFA should never have accepted the revised EUROP grid.

Thet grid was brought in during negotiations, did IFA agree to it I don't think so

I remember that farmers were going to withdraw cattle over it