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The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

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    #14312
    [Deleted User]
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    SF took a strategic decision to be out of government in NI for the brexit negotiations

    The Ash for Cash scandal was their excuse

    Combine that with the pandemic effect on NHS labour there and now no government again and you have your answer

    Also it's not in Sinn Féins interests to have a successful northern Ireland



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    #14313
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119257105#Comment_119257105

    SF offered to go back in but UVF told the DUP to stay out. SF offered to go back in now and the DUP said no again. I see a pattern emerging and its not SF staying out.



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    #14314
    Irelandsnumberone
    Registered Users Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119257483#Comment_119257483

    Don't let facts get in the way of a SF bash



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    #14315
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119257856#Comment_119257856

    Exactly.



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    #14316
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119257483#Comment_119257483

    You expect non SF supporters to believe SF were going back into government before any Brexit deal was done ?

    They were in their eye



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    #14317
    blanch152
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119257483#Comment_119257483
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119257856#Comment_119257856

    Facts????

    SF offered to go back in if Arlene Foster's head was on a plate. That wasn't a genuine offer, and anyone peddling it as such lacks credibility.

    SF later upped the ante by prioritising an Irish Language Act over payrises for nurses. The reality is that SF normalised pulling down Stormont for unimportant reasons. That has come back to bite them.



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    #14318
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119258263#Comment_119258263

    No no no. The DUP had agreed to go back into government with SF until the UVF had a meeting with Arlene and told her she was not to back into government. How come you don't mention this Blanch? I guess you don't like dealing in facts that make your points obsolete.



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    #14319
    notsocutehoor
    Registered Users Posts: 482 ✭✭notsocutehoor


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119251519#Comment_119251519

    If you (18year old on €136k) availed of legit tax avoidance measures could you reduce your effective tax rate, what effective tax rate would you think you could reduce it to.



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    #14320
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    https://twitter.com/thejournal_ie/status/1542913528964816897?t=u26UnjT2OORkTRwfQ8YzLg&s=19


    Some would say it's a Tent

    People pretending either to themselves or anyone else that this party aren't champagne Socialists or different to Fianna Fáil are spoofers

    They'll not be what their core want that's for sure if they manage to negotiate an SFF government and they certainly will lose the 'change' vote,the permanently outraged etc



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    #14321
    nigeldaniel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Aaa you bet me to the post ^^^

    I was thinking myself don't Sf always have a pop at FF or FG when they do table dinners in tents. this time of course it will be a very mild cough cough response from the Sf brigade.

    Dan.



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    #14322
    shirrup
    Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭shirrup


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278886#Comment_119278886

    That article says the event is being ran by Trinity College and the Irish Australian Chamber of Commerce, of which McDonald will be a "keynote speaker"

    The event page outlines that the Irish Australian Chamber of Commerce “will host a series of events​ ​across Australia this July, featuring keynote speaker Mary Lou​ ​McDonald, President of Sinn Féin and Leader of the Opposition in the 33rd Dáil”

    The article also says the SF party will not be making any money from it, and that McDonald's trip was funded by the party itself,.

    A spokesperson for Sinn Féin told The Journal this afternoon that the party “will not be receiving any income from the tour”.


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119279486#Comment_119279486


    You didn't actually read the article, because if you had you'd not have posted the above, considering its not the shinners "doing the table dinner in a tent" McDonald will be there as a keynote speaker.



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    #14323
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    Theres certainly plenty of money in the Belfast UK branch of SF courtesy of the hobo in Wales,to pay for the champagne clinking trip

    It would be more in SF's line to provide college bursaries for kids in under privileged areas,rather than invest in so much office property,maybe they do?



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    #14324
    Irelandsnumberone
    Registered Users Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119279890#Comment_119279890

    Anything for a SF rant



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    #14325
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    For the avoidance of doubt,this is the critique of Sinn Féin thread,not the flower arranging forum



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    #14326
    Irelandsnumberone
    Registered Users Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280701#Comment_119280701

    Sinn Fein leader going to speak at an event which SF are not running is not the oh my god moment you think it is



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    #14327
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    It is a champagne Socialist moment

    Hypocrisy galore during a 'cost of living crisis'



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    #14328
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280708#Comment_119280708

    It still isn't a good look when Pearse was ranting about Leo and a fundraiser dinner.



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    #14329
    nigeldaniel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Sf 'supporters' are well able to organise PR events for the party all the while making sure Sf party will not be linked to the organised event in question. It is a well-established tactic from the socialist little black book. Its mostly about the 'dear leader' and PR. It is something I have seen in China, Russia and other like style countries.

    Sf has been doing this in the US for years.

    Who really knows where the money goes.

    Dan.



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    #14330
    Fionn1952
    Registered Users Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭Fionn1952


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280809#Comment_119280809

    They might not directly raise funds from this, but I wouldn't have a second of doubt that they're attending to promote the party rather than for altruistic reasons, and the reason to promote the party is hardly because they're intending on standing for election there, I'd be pretty sure it's for future fundraising purposes akin to their US jollies.

    When it comes to fundraising events, SF have absolutely no moral highground, and the timing of this certainly plays into the hands of their opponents when they've so recently had a dig at Leo for his own actions (though obviously the counter applies that Leo and FG hardly have a moral highground they can take with their own fancy fundraising dinners.....and given their history, FF would obviously be best keeping schtum).



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    #14331
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    In the middle of a cost of living crisis,why didn't Mary Lou attend the conference via zoom and donate the savings to the capuchin day centre or something?

    Instead you have bad optics,the leader of Sinn Féin swanning off to the far side of the world again for an up to €2000 a plate dinner

    Champagne Socialists being hypocrites given their role in the Dáil highlighting the plight of the less privileged than them..

    Its little wonder I see what's coming and that's, SF do and say anything to cod the people bored with the 3 government incumbents but will carry on the same as them and disappoint their followers new or old

    It'll take an SFF government to reset some people's trump like trance and return them to realistic expectations

    Bring it on,you'd get fed up of this nonsense until it comes in another form

    Maybe Aontú's turn then

    But they'd need to dump their Repeal the Repeal stance and I don't see that happening



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    #14332
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    It's up to govt to resolve the cost of living crisis. Not the opposition.



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    #14333
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    hypocrisy hand waved away 👆



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    #14334
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    SF called for an early budget to assist the cost of living crisis. The present shower waved it away.

    Its up to them now.

    Nothing to do with the opposition.



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    #14335
    Irelandsnumberone
    Registered Users Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119281062#Comment_119281062

    Why would she attend via zoom?

    SF have done all they can, which is **** all. The Govt are the ones who need to step up there.

    I look forward to your endless complaints about any TD attending events abroad



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    #14336
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    I'll call any T.D that swans off to a €2000 a seat champagne clinking do at the far side of the world that has no purpose for them other than ego massaging and monied people networking whilst at the same time crying crocodile tears at the cost of living crisis, a hypocrite

    Terrible optics

    It does speak again to more signs that they'll be no 'breath of fresh air' if they manage to negotiate an SFF government as well as to the awful land that's coming to their cheer leaders on here and twitter

    Bring it on



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    #14337
    Irelandsnumberone
    Registered Users Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    Sinn Fein with its highest % ever in an Irish Independent Poll at 36%.

    Leos rant about Mary Lou and Pearse worked a treat



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    #14338
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    This is the thing

    Democracy is Democracy ,I salute it, no issues with what people might vote for

    If SF negotiate an SFF government, many many people are in for an awful land and it ain't FG supporters or leaners

    I say bring it on,Lance the boil

    But handwaving away a €2000 a plate dinner jolly to Australia in the midst of supporters struggling to pay the bills just reinforces my view that its all an insincerity packed promiserama thing with SF now that's going to go the road of many it followed

    I don't blame SF HQ for that,it's a tried and trusted method worldwide that only opposition's can use



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    #14339
    Irelandsnumberone
    Registered Users Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119282126#Comment_119282126

    The way its going, SF might not need FF at all



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    #14340
    shirrup
    Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭shirrup


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119282126#Comment_119282126

    You sound upset. Few days ago you were going to vote SF for the lols.



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    #14341
    StupidLikeAFox
    Registered Users Posts: 7,709 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119280811#Comment_119280811

    Look, let's be honest here. The Australian chamber of commerce are hosting this and they are not charging that kind of money to so people can hear Mary lou say how bad brexit is and how a united ireland is just around the corner. They are paying that money for access to a politician who may be the next leader of the country.



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