Breaking... US Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade

How can you type that without seeing the irony? Abortion involves killing/removing what would eventually be a baby, a life that will never get to be lived once aborted. It's the direct removal of what would be a life, whereas something contagious, especially covid, is based on the hypothetical that you may harm another life. There's far more variables at play in the mix of potential covid contagion, whereas there's really none when it comes to abortion. One is a guarantee of something, whereas the other is a potentiality.

It's a Catholic-dominated court thanks in part to a Scotch-descended Protestant (Trump).

Ordinary American Protestants weren't either very worked up about abortion (it wasn't on a lot of people's radar afaik, though an early pro-life movement existed) nor especially open to Catholic influence in 1973. Now they are both.

That's how the ball bounces.

@Loafing Oaf 'Well of course the judges themselves are never going to admit their decision was motivated by their religious beliefs.'

I agree with you, but this is a problem for all conspiracy theories.

The relevance is that you can't legally claim the laws against disestablishment of religion have been breached because the judges are secretly letting their religion influence them and sneakily not telling anyone.

The legal decision itself has no references to Papal Bulls, Catholic dogma, the Bible, metaphysics etc.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on any compelling arguments put forward in any of the dissents.

There's a lot to unpack in the concurrences alone so haven't had much time to disgest the dissents yet.

No you didn't, you made and continue to make a broad comparison between extremely different situations. Pregnancy is not a transmissible virus to others in the general public.

The real irony is conservatives continuing to wail complaints about minor pressure being put on them months ago to conform to public health guidance while around others while at the same time applauding the big government enforcing birth on women.

There is no 'moral or logical flexibility' by me on this matter, if the government was sending people to jail for not getting vaccinated then I'd similarly oppose it. You're the one that is all over the place, twisting yourself in knots trying to maintain any semblance of consistency

The SC, including the man in question that you are quoted, are proven to twist truth to suit their ideology.

'Personal religious observance' is not doing it in the most public place on the field - on the halfway line.

Again, the Conservative hypocrisy is caught in full view where now a teacher can lead a class in prayer in a public secular school while not being able to mention that they are gay to the same students.

Utter nonsense. Unlike those who are cheering this decision by the SC, I am treating each person as a human being and not pushing my opinions on anyone's unique situations. I am calling for each individual to be given their right to choose what suits their life, that myself nor 'big-government' mostly full of old white men should be telling them what to do with their bodies.

RBG is one of the reasons for this situation. She should have retired when Obama had the power to get a nomination through

Truth. Old people are selfish and refuse to let go. Everything RBG fought for is at risk. At least Breyer retired in advance. And Gorsuch being on the court is a sham, along with the handmaid.

You're missing the point. I didn't say pregnancy and vaccine mandates were similar, the constant in these two situations is bodily autonomy.

I also never said that you supported vaccine mandates (in fact your name didn't come up hard as that might be for you to believe), I was speaking about people who did support vaccine mandates and then speak about the sanctity of bodily autonomy in relation to abortion.

You say there's no moral or logical flexibility by you on this, OK, again this isn't about you, but did you ever consider that your opinion might be the subject of criticism?

Personally I felt people should have the right to get vaccinated or not based on their own judgment, I got vaccinated but I didn't like the rhetoric some people were pushing, and it was particularly prevalent in the Irish media to force people into getting vaccinated.

On the topic of abortion, I feel abortion is a necessity in some situations and not in others, I'm not hard line on either end of the topic but I can't help but see the glaringly obvious moral quandary SOME people SHOULD find themselves in with regard to the issue of bodily autonomy.

Any of the typically left leaning posters here have jumped on me for saying this, no surprises there, none of you seem to be able to see anything from any perspective but your own.

Garret Fitzgerald reformed Ireland in the 1980s by ushering in the 8th Amendment.

Did those mandates involve forcing people to get the vaccine or go to prison?

It's almost like you have completely forgotten the never ending tears from the right that those very mild mandates caused

A distinction of comfort to whom

Until a federal ban is in place.

It's Roe, not Joe.

And, you've (again) missed the point; Roe V. Wade didn't institute abortion in the US. It prevented states from banning it outright. Now, that protection is removed so the next step is... take a guess.

For anyone interested in reading the plain text and/or listening to it in audiobook firmat this is worth a look

It's not projecting when the obvious legal direction being taken by the GQP is an overall ban. Yes, it hasn't happened it. The important thing is, now, it can.

I'm admitting what? The central point of what I was saying?

The fact is that the number of people calling for forced vaccination wasn't a tiny by any means and they tended to be left leaning and by extension pro choice by default.

Our own main stream media vilified anyone who didn't take a vaccine, the reasons cited were typically that those people were far right conspiracy nut jobs who didn't deserve to be respected. It's notable that this rhetoric reached a crescendo right before the severity of covid began to wane at the beginning of this year.

Ireland is an extremely "progressive" country nowadays and that backdrop meant that even the more extreme ideas about vaccine mandates spouted on our airwaves and in our print media were largely unchallenged. Maybe that's why you recall that situation differently?

There are a significant number of people who want an a la carte approach to bodily autonomy and the contrast between their views on the same when seen through the lenses of covid and abortion are indicative of hypocrisy.

It's a symptom where the views of Senators from low populated states like Nebraska, Idaho, Wyoming, Oklahoma,etc. are allowed to have the same weight in the senate as those who live in the major 'liberal' cities and coastal which are home to the majority of Americans, therefore allowing them to completely distort political debate which allows people with brains completely sieved to get elected. Ultimately rural states at a future constitutional convention will need to have their political power curtailed and they will have no one but themselves to blame after electing representatives with disgusting views on how America should look as a country.

It's the same way the EU represents its members surely.

There was no sizeable push to force people to take the vaccine or else go to jail. Given the country on topic here - please point to one US state that brought in that law.

You seem very hurt by words or 'pressure' and far less concerned with actual laws imposed by big-government Republicans that will jail women for making decisions regarding their own bodies.

I care about staying on topic.

Youre telling me you don’t care about abortion rights in Poland since you haven’t yet started a thread on it. That’s your level of cognition here. It’s sophomoric.

If my words resonated with you there must be a reason.