Russia - threadbanned users in OP

So it seems Turkey has dropped its opposition to Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

Good.

Well done Putin, you've fcuked yourself over even more. Lol.

You wrote: "This is bad guy vs bad guy, with innocent people in the middle."

Of course you were drawing a moral equivalence and are just trying to weasel out of it now you've been found out.

You are only back tracking on whatever lies you have been challenged on. It is a tactic seen before by those disseminating Russian propaganda.

You said Ukraine was engaged in ethnic cleansing in Donbas.

This is a lie and if you stand over it you are a liar.

Moscow has launched an illegal invasion of a neighbouring country, has indiscriminately targeted residential cites with widespread attacks, has committed war crimes, has executed civilians in Bucha, has deliberately targeted civilian refuges and medical facilities with heavy weapons. You have drawn a false equivalence between Ukraine's actions in Donbas 2014-2021 and Russia's in 2022, or even for that matter that of Russia and separatists in 2014-2021. An equivalence which is without foundation.

Ukraine is a democracy. It has signed political agreements with the EU committing it to progress on human rights, rooting out corruption, and eventually becoming an EU member state.

Russia is a gangster fascist dictatorship.

To put Ukraine in the same camp as them as equally 'murdering regime' is morally bankrupt, and can only be done through an utterly dishonest misrepresentation of the facts.

Given that you’re never going to believe that people in Donbass have suffered persecution, we are at an impasse.

You choose to believe the lads wearing the yellow and black swastikas on black sun symbols were not persecuting the ethnic minorities in Ukraine if it makes you feel better.

I’ll choose to argue the need for a peace treaty that recognises Ukraine’s political reality to be hammered out as soon as possible.

100k behind the front line at a russian military airbase

To paraphrase Admiral Nimitz: "Where is, repeat, where is Russian Air Defense? The world wonders!"

Seriously, I know that the Russian Air Force isn't in the best of shapes, to put it mildly. However, why on Earth do they not have aircraft flying Combat Air Patrol behind the border 24/7? Surely, there are at least SOME of the 600 aircraft of the Fulcrum and Flanker family that Russia has in its active inventory that can be ordered to fly CAP next to an active war zone? I mean, it's not like the Ukrainian Air Force has been neutralised, far from it. If this does turn out to be a Ukrainian air attack of some sort, then it really makes me wonder just how hollowed out the Russian armed forces really are. Not a good picture for Russia.

It strikes me that Putin has absolutely poisoned things for ethnic Russians in Donbas for decades to come. It will take that amount of time for relations between Ukraine and Russia to normalise and those guys will be stuck bang in the middle of the stand off.

They would also do well to remember what happened to the people of the Sudetenland after WW2. For deciding they wished to be part of a fascist regime and ruled by a tyrant, they lost everything - their homes, their belongings, tens of thousands were killed and the Sudetenland effectively ceased to exist and was wiped from the map.

Terrorist attack on a shopping center in Ukraine.

No that's a back view from a utility yard.

This is the front view from yesterday. Targeting civilians.

Don't be daft. According to the Russians, the flash of light and explosion was swamp gas from a weather balloon which was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the explosion of light from Venus or something something.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the current Ukraine government have been democratically elected, this is since the so called coup that you and others state took place.

You also seem to be doubling down on the claim that the Ukranian government are trying to ethnically cleanse parts of Ukraine.

I've no doubt that some Ukrainian forces have been far from saints in this conflict, also their may well have been far right leaning groups involved.

But you are specifically claiming an orchestrated attempt of ethnic cleansing by the Ukranian government. Have you anything to back up this assertion?

Time to look for new husbands.