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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    A NATO bordering China and North Korea? What could go wrong?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    it's funny all the tablets and smart phones will be gone very soon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,168 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    They've legalized parallel imports you can get iPhone's, PS5's etc, bit of a premium due to the retailers having to cover the manufacturers warranty, they can source these from some of their own territories not under sanctions.

    They're dodging a lot to of sanctions, you can still watch Netflix through a VPN etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,512 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'd say they are leaving themselves wide open to legal action from manufacturers in the future. They are effectively illegally selling products and in breach of all sorts of copyright and trademark laws.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,168 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    They're actively encouraging it, won't be any western countries taking legal action in Russia anytime soon.

    The sanctions aren't really having the desired effect, they're paying €10 less a month for Netflix than before the trouble.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Do you actually believe what you are writing,or do you have a script in front of you that you share with your olgino collagues



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Western noises are changing in the aftermath of the shopping centre attack. Sure, it's the US TV commentators first, but that's to prep the public.

    We are a hair's breadth away from a "Ukraine won't be allowed lose" situation - in fact, we're probably already there, it just hasn't been publicly signalled.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The whole burning of people in the building in Odessa is also just a russian misinformation and propaganda stunt from kremlin.

    So is probably the rest you came up with


    Remember Russias misinformation campaigns,deception and blaiming others are one of their strongest weapons,and used in both Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine 2013/14 to destbilise eastern regions in Ukraine and Crimea before and after the invasion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭eire4


    I would say the other day NATO saying it was upping its rapid reaction forces numbers from 40,000 all the way to 300,000 was pretty significant. I still don't think we will see NATO troops in actual direct combat with Russians unless they attack a NATO country or use a nuke on Ukraine but I think it's clear this war has escalated way beyond the point where any compromise or agreement can be reached. The authoritarian regime in Russia must be defeated in Ukraine and there now can be no equivocation about that point.





  • That attack was like Russia saying that it dosnt care about any potential peace agreement



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah, the ability to VPN Netflix is proof the sanctions aren’t working. Sober up there like a good monkey.



  • Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭shivaz


    It seems there was an old reconnaissance drone involved in the attack.It may have given target information.What caused the explosions is unknown and may stay that way.




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,405 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Seems like now would be a good time for Netflix to air some Storyville type documentaries on what's really going on in Ukraine.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭zv2


    Britain has neo nazis, so we in Ireland have the right to invade Britain? Germany? There's a whole bunch of people on Twitter pointing out Ukraine's faults as if this makes Putin right. You may not be saying this outright but the subtext is in your posts.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,161 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    But US weapons manufacturers are making great money. Isn't that the important thing?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,407 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    It's a good thing that the Ukrainian resistance is getting weapons and support it needs.

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Bit pointless playing morality games in the middle of a war. By being moved to support one side or the other you end up endorsing these types of companies anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,168 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    The point is they're getting around them, sanctions won't end the war, we seem to be more hurt by them than Russia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,053 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    One of the principal aims of sanctions (economic and cultural) is to make it abundantly clear to the ordinary Russian population that their state has involved itself in a whole lot more than just a 'special military operation'. That their state is visiting terror and destruction on their former friends and neighbours. That they are considered pariahs.

    It hurts us in our pockets but it's the least we can do. It's also why we should be making it as tough for Russian ex pats here in Ireland, so that the message gets back. And also why we shouldn't indulge Russian propagandists.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The only sanctions significantly hurting Europe are those on energy, and it would be a catastrophic security disaster to continue relying on Russian energy so the idea that we will ever go back to "normal" on that front is a non-starter.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Absolutely! - "oh look, all the Western brands are gone, the West must really love what our 'filth in suits and uniforms' are doing"



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Bear in mind I'm not one of the loons who sees Reds under the bed everywhere if someone even dares to go agin the Slava Ukraine!! narrative, but "sanctions are hurting the west more than Russia" has been a constant staple of Russian propaganda inside and outside the country. More outside of course as Russian people on the ground are seeing obvious inflation and other shortages, though the latter is more in the west and westernised part of the country.

    And yep they can get iphones and all that, but they cost a lot more and are a lot harder to get. The stuff has to be physically carried for the most part. Try sending a package to Russia. You can't. Try flying directly to Moscow. To get a new iPhone to Moscow you're going to have to buy it in the West, fly to say Estonia, cross the border there, get a train or plane to Moscow. Stuff is filtering in from the East and China but in absolute dribs and drabs compared to before.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    " So a pariah state for the majority of the world's economy, squeezed on a near weekly basis, with their oil and gas there only bargaining chip, one that is being eroded on the same near weekly basis? "

    Im anti-war and have supported a number of anti-war demonstrations. Putin must be stopped. Im not sure though that our leaders in the West who dont have a great record in handling major catastrophres are capable of it, or capable of making the right decisions.

    On an economic front the Russian ruble is near 15 year highs. Russian oil is only having to discount $15-$20 and India continues to increase its imports of Russian oil. Given the high price of oil, thats still a great deal for Putin and his regime. And over 100 nations turned up to the recent SPEIF Economic Forum in St Petersburg, all voicing support for increasing trade and interaction with Russia. Many poorer nations who have endured generations of colonialism, welath extraction and Western failures to deliver on promises , dont really care about Ukraine and see this as an opportunity to break that cycle.

    And as Russia pivots to the East. people need to realise many countries in the East are embracing this and see it as their chance to escape a dollar denominated market and a US and EU hegemony.

    So yes Russia is being squeezed out of Western Markets.. but on an economic front perhaps the East will fill that void for them.

    As they say in the East... When your masters fight, the slaves suffer.





  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The ruble is that high because 1) it's an internal non internationally traded currency, 2) propped up by the Russian government(their finance minister whose name escapes is one capable and clever woman) and 3) they're still selling their big two assets oil and gas so money is still coming in(majority of it from the West), but bugger all else is going out as export sales and they're spending far less on imports. If you're still selling stuff, even at lower rates, but at the same time aren't buying anything you appear to have more money, but it's not economically viable for long.

    And yes they're selling oil to India and elsewhere, but they have to ship it as their pipelines(running on western tech that can't be replaced too quickly) run to the West. So it's a lot more expensive for Russia to sell, on top of their discount. And there's the slight problem of Russia defaulting on her debt this week too.

    Of the 100 nations that showed up to SPEIF the vast majority have microscopic economies. Hell the host Russia has a smaller economy than the US state of Texas. The US state of California dwarfs them. And if they think the Western interference was bad, and it was, Russias will be just as bad. These yahoos in their anger at the West fail to recognise the simple fact Russia is a White Western Christian empire and one just as quck to start chucking their weight around as the US. QV Ukraine. The Afghani's showing up was irony personified. Oh and the Chinese are well ahead of Russia with exploitation and extraction of the same developing nations so there'll be friction there. China's economy is utterly dependent on Western markets and Western tech and licences. If things get nasty and they get sanctioned, well that could get really interesting really quickly. But the Chinese aren't nearly so hot headed and will play the long game, in their interests alone and that's far more looking West than at Russia.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    I think your referring to Elvira Nabiullina the Russian Central Bank Govenor , the FT a few months ago called her 'the worlds best central bank Govenor".

    FT - Nabiullina stuck to her ultra-conservative monetary policy. Within a few years, the country returned to growth and inflation sank. That success led multiple publications to name her the world’s best central banker .

    Your correct Russia has less pipeline access and will have to ship much of its oil. Same as Europe has to ship LNG , liquify and de-gassify it. So whatever costs are being added to Russian oil exports, the same or maybe more are being added to Western alternatives.

    Like I said I dont think our leaders are adept at making smart long term decisions.

    Yep 100 small nations turned up for SPIEF in St Petersburg, I guess thats a bit better than Mexico snubbing Biden and refusing to attend Bidens Summit Of The Americas last month.

    AS for loss of access to Western tech, I dont think Russia will have much issue in replacing it. The west relied on Russian to give them a lift to the ISS space station for 20 years, I expect they will figure out how to replace the loss of western expertise.

    "If your selling stuff, even at lower rates, but at the same time arent buying anything you appear to have more money but its not economically viable " .

    Pre-war Russia was probably the most macro economicaly stable country of the large nations. Thanks to what many called the worlds best Central Bank Govenor , perhaps she will find a way. Tidbit of info, she was known for her brooches, economists would study them as they often reflected what her policy (hawkish/dovish) would be. In a recent public appearance she wore none and dressed in black.

    Theres plenty western nations bypassing oil sanctions, oil old-timers will tell you that in the dead of night with transponders turned off Russian oil is being passed to western ships, also they mix 49% Russian oil with 51% Western oil and can legally then call it Western oil.

    Fascinating stuff, what an interesting time. Winter is coming, the EU stores are depleted, Im not sure Id place my faith in our western leaders making the right decision .

    I feel very sorry for Ukraininan people , they have been crapped on for generations



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    A lot of magical thinking in this post. Around what the notional value of the rouble is. And the thought that countries would abandon dollar denominated trade. For what? Throwing their lot with explicitly politically managed and price manipulated currencies with capital controls?

    You think a central bank of a country or private firms wants to be forced into holding vast RMB or rouble reserves for the purpose of commodity exchange? Think about that for a second.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    At Lysychansk direction Russian army continued assault on Lysychansk and at Vovchoyarivka - Verkhniokamianka direction, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    Theres no magical thinking involved.

    Its already happening.as an example India Russian imports are up 60% over last year, and Indias exports to Russia are up 20%. - you see not magical thinking, its an economic fact.

    India and Russia are in talks to revive a rouble-roupee exchange mechanism, similar to the 1953 Ruble-Rupee Mechanism, again bypassing dollar conversions and trading in their own currencies. Again no magical thinking, its a fact.

    FT report China will double the permitted trading range between its currency and Russia’s rouble to help bolster trade between the two countries as the Russian economy reels from western sanctions imposed after its invasion of Ukraine.

    So again no wishful thinking. Its an economic fact and is happening and has already happened.

    You may not like, you may wish it wasnt happening, but the market doesnt deal in wishful thinking. Many medium-large nations are only to happy to pivot to national currency trading away from the $ and ignore sanctions set by people in the WH and Brussels.

    Money men dont care about Ukrainian people, if theres money to be made they will trade with the devil or Putin, either or. Will it replace western trade for Russia , probably not in total , but its naive to think there is no one willing to step into that void.

    This coming winter will bring so much pressure on the macro events that I suspect many recent virtuous moves will be put aside in the interest of heating homes, powering society and putting food on the table across the globe.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Lol, rouble-rupee exchange mechanism. That's a good one. Probably the most volatile currency pairing possible.

    I'd do a bit of reading on what that means if I were you. There still has to be notional value of equivalence, in euro or dollar, to which the value of the rupee and rouble will be pegged. These trades are still prime-international currency denominated at the end of the day. And especially these two currencies need to have massive dollar or euro reserves to make it work.

    Why? Because they are dogsh*t managed currencies regularly subject to oppressive capital controls and are among the most volatile you can concieve.

    Do some reading before mouthing off about magical new currency regimes that are in fact dollarized exchange mechanisms when you take the slightest peek under the bonnet.



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