Train push teen gets suspended sentence

No justice system. No health system. No housing department. Aren’t we doing well 101 years after getting our independence?

Slightly misleading, this teen isn't the one who pushed yer one under the train. He was part of the group. He was gone past the girl before she was pushed. He did kick someone in the head from his bike (just before the girl who was pushed), no injuries. Didn't like that he pleaded not guilty, but I'm sure that was taken into account. 6 months probation and possibly face jail if he reoffends.

Now, separately, that still isn't enough imo. No message sent here. Apparently he was "self-medicating" with cannabis. Didn't know smoking joints is considered self medicating these days... Only when you're up in court I suppose! Allegedly has removed himself from the group. All sounds well and good, let's hope it stays that way. Don't suppose we'll ever know if he re-offends though. Hopefully not, a positive outcome would be nice for once.

The lad who pushed the girl is up in the Circuit Court in the future.

The Justice Industry, and make no mistake it is an industry, makes most of their money from repeat offenders. There is no money in legal fees if criminals are in jail. Some lad who has 100 convictions is a cash cow for the defence and prosecution teams.

Have you looked at the legal aid fees? Barristers are leaving like rats from a sinking ship. I'm critical of our soft on crime approach but we don't need to resort to making up conspiracies that judges (who are paid a salary) are conspiring to release criminals so the reoffend so that their former colleagues can earn a few hundred quid.

what good does a suspended sentence achieve?

put kids in jail and all that does is put them around people with substance abuse users and people with mental health issues who groom them into even worser situations so how is that a good thing? they tried putting everyone in jail in america and look how that turned out

Kids that age dont go to prison they go somewhere like oberstown house.

If only there was a middle ground between locking them all up and letting every young knacker off ...?

Judge Martina Baxter said: “He waited 18 years to assault -with particular brutality- the victim. He lay in wait 18 years and assaulted not once, not twice but three times.

“I find this particularly reprehensible."

She then uses the word "chilling" in her summation.

Yet our boy walks away with a suspended sentence because he showed "remorse" (snigger), got a few letters signed (parish priest no doubt amongst them), and paid a few quid to the victim.

Lovely **** country.

Methinks you're trolling again :)

You seem to pop up on lots of threads with this type of stuff , Lisa Smith in ISIS: leave her alone, the poor woman had mental health issues.

3 year old hit by a scrambler bike: there's not enough scrambler tracks for the young people.

The recent brawl in Dublin airport: "probably addiction issues or mental health, hope they get the help they need".

As other have mentioned, its not a choice between letting them go or locking them up in a cell in an adult prison with Hannibal Lector.

Feral teens with a reputation for trouble in the area who knocked a girl under a train need some sort of custodial treatment, they've proven that society needs to be protected from them.

or will get get some coals put on the ground so they can be dragged across them that wont solve the issues these people are facing but it will make you lot happy

Sorry, the excuse for the brawl is they were smoking cannabis?

Only the very worst of them get locked up under 18. He's under strictly supervised probation and of course now, at 18, eligible for the big house. Loss of face and being ratted out by the entire community must hurt him just as much.

You should read the report linked to in the OP. By the looks of it the child has acknowledged his atrocious behaviour and is making efforts to improve himself as a human being. The justice system tries to do that as well.

No, not an excuse, but a medical opinion on the side effects of Cannabis. Extreme highs, followed by deep depression, amplified by lack of regular food and rest while on the high. There were some very good ( if extreme) examples of it on Love Hate, if you happened to watch it.

I genuinely don't think kids are worse than when we were kids.

There will always be a few that are "bad apples" the difference is when you're in the same demographic as them you know who they are by name and that makes them less "scary".

It's absolutely no different from having a dodgy neighbour etc.

As for the woman ...in all fairness the kids were doing no harm,if he face planted himself only he would get hurt.

Teenagers don't need anyone telling them to take their hands out of their pockets while running etc....if they haven't learned by then let Darwin take care of it.

She inserted herself into a situation and became the butt of a mocking.

While you might say they wouldn't do that to a bodybuilder etc I doubt a bodybuilder would be arsed to interfere with teenagers having the craic.

Also what the hell is "pro-social" and how does it mean they should get a lesser sentence?!