Breaking... US Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade

One can never state overall direction for Judaism - there's not one group that makes policy and sets attitudes like, in, say the RCC. And there are Catholics who support abortion, too

If we absorb a million hard-line Protestants into a United Ireland, could a dream team of Iona Institute Catholics and the DUP hold a coalition government or two to ransom?

Interesting times ahead anyway.

So bleedin' what?

Yet another totally off-topic non-sequitur

In terms of human history Christianity is a recent innovation

I see we’ve come full circle back to people advocating for children to be brought into the world for the sole purpose of being used as punishments for their sl*tty/irresponsible/selfish mothers.

How very pro life. Quite baffling that all these people who are trying to save the lives of children would be willing to trust a potential murderer with the upbringing and wellbeing of a baby? It’s almost as though they don’t really believe abortion is the murder of a child?

I had serious flashbacks to spring 2018 on Boards when reading this thread today.

Yep, same shít different year...

Well Ireland (or Scotland?) will become more conservative I think.

Whether that has any policy consequences... Dunno.

I couldn't see RoI parties forming a cordon-sanitaire around ex-unionists that would come across as sectarian imo.

Considering the Dodds decision the court used relied upon historical precedent it seems perfectly apt to discuss abortion history

There is no disagreement that he chose to come off the sidelines and kneel and pray at the halfway line - the most central and public part of the field. It isn't my interpretation of what happened - it is literally what happened.

Interpretation is what the SC did by calling this action 'personal religious observance'.

You talk about laws as if they just magically appear. These laws in states are generally voted for by rich, white, and old men who come from extremely gerrymandered areas. My passing these laws they are setting up big government to tell women what they can do with their bodies.

How deep is your head in the sand? Democrats and pro-choice folk are consistently trying to get more money for those in socioeconomically deprived areas while those Republican and pro-birth are consistently fighting any move to improve payments to these people or improving their healthcare opportunities.

Republicans are pro-birth and then wipe their hands of supporting families afterwards.

See that is the problem, you can twist the words of the constitution into anything you want them to be. Bullets were not even invented when the the constitution was written.

The argument is being made in relation to Roe that you have to look at it from the perspective of the time then it should stand the same for the 2nd amendment. If they are saying that abortion isn't a right then a whole host of others that have been provided based on the same approach shouldnt be either, but all but one of the SCs are saying that isnt the case (for now anyway).

I don't know, where?

What people would that be? What goalposts do you think are being moved?

I've repeatedly stated that I'm talking about the seeming indifference some people have with regards to bodily autonomy in one situation and how that clashes with their demands that it be respected in others.

Vaccines and abortions are the issues where attitudes towards bodily autonomy seem to be fluid.

I'm not discussing the morality of vaccines or abortions, I talking about the inconsistent morality of some people with regard to bodily autonomy.

You're just picking an argument for no reason at this point.

It's been explained to you multiple times why the comparison you are desperate to make doesn't work. Yet you blindly persist.

For there to be inconsistency, both situations would need to be the same.

Well this isn't an arguement and if it was, the reason would be highlighting your ridiculous comparison.😉

The poster in question obviously set out with a simple aim to point score against 'the left' with mental gymnastics and just landed flat on their face.

They can't even support their position by answering simple questions.

Given the much more extreme big-government restrictions by the Republicans and the right with abortion laws and associated sanctions while claiming bodily autonomy when it came to simple mask wearing, if anyone should be called out for obvious hypocrisy it should be them but this poster has continued to refuse to do so by name.

In what way is it nitpicking? You said guaranteed.! 10-20% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage.

I admit it didn't realise your point was actually this weak - that you were trying to both sides this by comparing 'rhetoric' from the democrats with laws passed and associated jail time by the republicans.

Those poor right wing anti-mask and anti-vaccine snowflakes and their hurt feelings. Always wanting to be the victims despite no evidence to support it.

How deep is your head in the sand? Democrats and pro-choice folk are consistently trying to get more money for those in socioeconomically deprived areas while those Republican and pro-birth are consistently fighting any move to improve payments to these people or improving their healthcare opportunities.

How much are Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama, and former CEO of Planned Parenthood Cecile Richards worth?

Then come back and lecture me about wealthy old white men who want to tell women what to do with their bodies and don’t care about people living in poverty.

That's a feckless hill to die on.

Let's examine the Republican wealth and examine why their constituents live in such squalor?

Certainly, they don't see child welfare or adoptions etc. as the states problem. They're very happy to steer people to the churchiest organizations they can for that.

The mere existence of poverty and the mere existence of wealth rarely stand up on its own as a worthwhile cudgel. Do you have something more than Obama has book deals and America still has poor people? I don't recall any right wingers complaining about Trump not using his billions in wealth to eliminate poverty. They were quite happy to see him golf, after all, he worked hard to accumulate all those golf courses, it's only right.

Anyone who gets a term as POTUS is a millionaire by the time they leave - just on the salary.

Another desperate comparison. What do they have to do with each other?

I've already outlined that I had no issues with masks and got my vacations.

You're talking utter nonsense if you're calling me an "anti mask anti vaccine snowflake".

My point isn't weak, it shows how much of a hypocrite you and people like you are, now you're throwing your toys out of your pram and reaching for the ad hominem claptrap.

That's a feckless hill to die on.

If the point is being made that essentially were it not for wealthy old white men who want to control women’s bodies, there would be nobody to stop Democrats from addressing poverty, then I think it’s legitimate to point to examples of wealthy Democrats who have done nothing to address poverty, and instead have increased their own personal wealth by claiming to want to alleviate poverty being caused by, well, wealthy old white men who want to control womens bodies.

They’re your GQP, not mine. I don’t live in the US, you do. I was talking about Democrats in any case as the point was being made above - wealthy old white men, etc.

They all have the ability to address the issues they’re claiming aren’t being addressed, and they’re in a better position to do so than any of the people they claim to represent. They’ve all done incredibly well for themselves personally as a result.

I’m not in a tough spot at all, I’m questioning your idea that the current state of affairs in the US is due to wealthy old white men who want to control women’s bodies, as though Democrats don’t have the power and influence and authority to be the change they want to see in American society. They do, but just like Republicans, they’re more interested in kissing up to wealthy donors than they are interested in alleviating poverty among 40 million Americans.

I never said you personally had any issue with masks or vaccines - I just repeated what you said that you are comparing the rhetoric against anti mask and anti vaccine that hurt the feelings of right wing snowflakes who forever want to be victims to the situation post Roe v Wade where actual laws are being passed by big government Republicans and potential jail time.

One is a mostly imagined issue that led to mostly inconvenience and the other is already having real world impacts, even beyond abortion and impacting IVF treatments and contraception.

16 hospitals in Kansas City will no longer provide contraception to rape victims because of the big government republican supported law there

Only one person is contorting and comparing masks to abortion.

Or the earlier this month when they voted to block funding for baby formula.