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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,161 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yes it is but I cannot see this war ending for many years if it ever really 'ends'. Russia won't take Kiev or Western Ukraine but they also will never leave their occupied territories in the east/southeast. We may see a decrease in direct hostilities but it will continue to simmer and Russian will probably keep annexing land given half the chance. Rinse and repeat 2014. The Ukrainian economy will continue to be destroyed by the chaos and loss of industrial capacity. It's a very bleak outlook really.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Putinist garbage.

    That's a sovereign state deciding its own security arrangements. A fundamental of the international world order and the Budapest memorandum to which Russia is a signatory.

    What's more there's no evidence in the wide world that the US or any other Western country had any hand act or part with Ukrainian militias. That's something you concocted yourself.

    Arming and stoking separatists is proxy warfare.

    Why don't you just admit you're a Kremlin flunkie and be done with it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    Im sure they do. But it doesnt change the reality , the Ukrainian Ministry is also in the market for coffins and body bags for its brave soldiers.

    So you may feel better ranting at Russia, but its not changing anything and its not reflecting that Ukraine is losing this war, Russia economy has pivoted east, many nations are lining up to trade with them, and come winter a lot of the virtue signaling and sanctions in the west will be put to a real test, a test they may not survive.

    I wish that Russia was not winning and the Putin regime were changed, but I dont think ignoring reality will get either of those things done.



  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    E.U. nations have paid about $33 billion for Moscow’s oil since Mr. Putin started the war on Feb. 24, according to the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air, a Finland-based nongovernmental organization. And the International Energy Agency said in May that Russia’s oil revenue had actually grown 50 percent since Jan. 1 — to $20 billion a month. Russia has shipped crude to China and India at distress-sale prices but in larger volumes. Some of it is being refined and reexported to Europe.

    Washington Post Article. (RUSSIAS OIL EXPORTS ARE BOOMING - THE US AND EUROPE NEED A NEW PLAN extract above)

    Indias Russian oil imports (seaborne) have jumped 50 times, going from 0.2 to 10% of all their imports, and will continue to rise. India is the worlds third largest consumer of oil, they are a huge market and growing imports faster than the EU is shutting down its imports. India will happily take Russian oil if they are getting it a discounted price and can refine it and sell it to the EU. And many other nations are doing the same thing.

    You may not like the FACTS , but RUSSIA is coining it in the oil export market at the moment.

    As to pipelines Russia already has gas pipelines to China in their Far East region and power of Siberia pipelines. Yes they will have to add new oil pipelines which will take time, just as it will take time for the EU to build their pipelines to replace Russia oil/gas.

    Since breakfast time the EU has sent Russia close on 1/2 a billion Euros.

    Wait until winter and oil and gas have gotten even more expensive, you may not like it but Putins regime will be making even more money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭zv2


    Gaining a little ground is not such a big deal. The ones with most ammo + weapons will win this war.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It was almost entirely happenstance. They wanted to take Kyiv and topple the government and install their puppet. That was abundantly clear. They threw the kitchen sink at it, only later learning from that and regrouping and pushing east. How many generals have they replaced now and by their own reports? You don't do that if that's the plan all along. You don't have to do that.

    As for inroads, what has long surprised me is that Russia, who overwhelm Ukrainian forces on paper and reality(though a few don't like that reality) are taking so long, fighting yard by yard in remarkably slow progress. Imagine we swapped out the Russians for Americans. I would bet the farm Kyiv would have fallen within the first month. In the first days Ukrainian comms including mobile and web coverage would be toast, they'd almost certainly have tracked Zelensky and his movers and shakers and would have had near total air superiority and drones flown by a 21 year old in a portacabin in Nevada would be having a firework party with anything bigger than a family car.

    On the foreign power front there was certainly far more Russian involvement, but if you don't believe there were proxies and "observers" on both sides in the Donbas civil war and Ukraine as a whole, I've some magic beans to sell you. However I really don't think the Americans thought it was the sore point and tinderbox it turned out to be.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl



    A) Russian forces were also focused around Kyiv. They had to redirect them around to the Donbas to concentrate enough forces for their meagre gains which took time. The Donbas offensive proper did not start until after the withdrawl from around Kyiv which would make it a pretty terrible feint.

    B) Ukraine is making ground near Kherson and has pushed back Russia around Kharkiv so there is not "only one nation gaining ground"

    C) Russia are making painfully slow progress in their assault and can not keep it up indefinitely.



  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    " Imagine we swapped out the Russians for Americans.  " Its all wishfull thinking and imagination here.

    Ukraine had a standing army (including reserves) not that far off the Russian army and Ukraine has barred all males 18-60 from leaving. Plus Ukraine is receiving arms from 30+ nations. Yet on the battle field they are not making progress. Maybe someone needs to face up to that and figure out why and fix it.

    Urban warfare , building by building, block by block , street by street is notoriously slow. You can imagine all you want about the remote drone pilot eating pringles shooting down missiles but this isnt the new Top Gun movie, the REALITY is Russia is the only side making advances.

    Sooner people face FACTs sooner issues get resolved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭ZenNature


    I agree gaining a little ground is not a big deal...

    But the FACT is Russia now holds about 20% of Ukraine . 20% is not a little ground.

    "The ones with most ammo + weapons will win the war " .... said the US 4-star General on the day of the Afghanistan invasion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭rogber


    Well said. I personally know Russians who've hosted or are hosting Ukrainian refugees - in one case for three months, paying for all food and upkeep so the Ukrainian can send their state benefits to relatives back home - or are helping in other ways far more specific and useful than the usual suspects posting their pathetic rants here 40-50 times a day and clearly getting their proxy thrills from this war.

    In fairness, the Russians in question are appalled at the level of brainwashing even among their compatriots abroad, but as always, there are good and bad. A distinction that's clearly too complex for some posters here to make.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    And the G7 boyos are talking about a cap on all Russian oil prices, which will further squeeze them. In the long term whatever happens Europe and a host of others won't touch Russian gas and oil with a bargepole if they can help it. He'll have to build pipelines to China and India and do it without any Western tech and help.

    The ruble being so strong is another indicator that all is not well in the Russian economy. It's demonstrating that there is no demand for foreign currency in Russia. That's really bad news for any economy in the medium and long term. And that's before we consider Erdogan has removed his objections to Finland and Sweden joining NATO. He's openly putting his lot in with the EU and NATO and in general him and Turkey histroically have played both sides and none.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,646 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yet on the battle field they are not making progress. Maybe someone needs to face up to that and figure out why and fix it.

    Russia has a massive advantage in particular in artillery, and at least in the beginning in armoured forces in general. They have managed to spectacularly waste the latter, but the former is still formidable. Current deliveries into Ukraine of western artillery systems should hopefully help address the imbalance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Looking forward to the G7 publishing details of how they will enforce a 'price cap' on transactions they're not actually party to.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    " Imagine we swapped out the Russians for Americans. " Its all wishfull thinking and imagination here.

    The Yanks are dicks geopolitically but as far as the prosecution of wars go, they make the Russians(and anyone else) look like Dad's Army. Not exactly surprisingly given how many trillions they throw at it and the practice they've had. They've never had much luck with insurgents, though nobody has, or can really, but they stayed in and controlled far more of Afghanistan than the Soviet Union at her near peak did.

    Ukraine had a standing army (including reserves) not that far off the Russian army and Ukraine has barred all males 18-60 from leaving. Plus Ukraine is receiving arms from 30+ nations. Yet on the battle field they are not making progress. Maybe someone needs to face up to that and figure out why and fix it.

    They got a fair number of anti tank weapons, a few drones, a few antiaircraft systems, a handful of heavy artillery, decent intel, no aircraft, no tanks. Dribs and drabs for the most part. If it were more than that Ukraine wouldn't be screaming for more on a daily basis, they know the "REALITY". Russian forces still overwhelm them in numbers of men and materiel. These are "FACTS" as you like to type it.

    If the Ukrainians had anything near parity with Russian forces why didn't they decimate the miles and miles long Russian military convoy of men and materiel open on all sides on the road to Kyiv in this "feint" at the start? As I said way back when this was current, if a squadron of WW2 German Stuka dive bombers had fallen through a a crack in time and saw a target that big lined up like that below them they'd have had a collective orgasm and a field day. That convoy remained pretty much unmolested because Ukraine simply didn't have the men and weapons to hit it effectively, or at all. And at the time I got static from the Slava Ukraine! lot for the suggestion.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,429 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    This is how Irish people view Russians in Ireland.

    The Russian ambassador here publicly lied pre war.

    And the rapes and mass murder in ukraine.

    Would any Russian in Ireland grow a pair and show otherwise that ye abhor the war.

    There's not an ounce of remorse in that post. And yet there's poster's on this thread claiming to be upset of the thought of deportations of Russians from here and that's why they came on this thread to publicly anonymously declare their hatred of Putin and the war. But yet are happy to have the Zed brigade be their public image of Russians in Ireland.

    Would yous do something to show otherwise. Because there's no action to show otherwise from ye.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's really a basis for a proposed price cap by the EU but the G7 need to figure it out and agree it. It also includes tanker insurance, which is based out of London. How it works is simple enough. They agree a cap and will only pay that. If Russia tries to flog it elsewhere above that rate countries will be labelled sanctions busters and there could be some nasty consequences.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Very simple. You either Trade with Russia or the west.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,512 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The dictator is attending a conference in Turkmenistan. One assumes the extreme social distancing is at his insistence (that's him bottom left).





  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    As of 2020, the collective group accounts for over 50 percent of global net wealth (which is $418 trillion),[4] 32 to 46 percent of global gross domestic product,[n] That's a lot of leverage. Especially over economies that rely on them and that includes China. I'd be willing to bet the Chinese other than cheap Russian oil are not happy overall about how this is panning out. It's very bad for their business.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's also bad for their immediate Taiwan ambitions. They really didn't see the extent of all of this.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Russia's power brokers are spending wayyyy too much time watching Hollywood movies. This is right out of 'Escape From LA' Letting cons out of prison in order to go on the rampage in the Ukraine is surely against international law.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭zv2


    The invaders are at a disadvantage. It will cost the Russians dearly to hold what they have if the UA gets what it needs. They are already threatening to retake Kherson. They'd have it by now if the got the weapons.

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭storker



    To be fair it could be fear of the long arm vengeance from the Kremlin. The affair in Salisbury showed that Putin can have a pretty long reach when he wants to, and he's likely to be feeling even less inhibitions now than he was back then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    I have been suspect of Lucky Lukashenka for a few weeks. He seems to be happy to get hold of Russian hardware but is clearly not going to help Putin who I suspect is someone he does not at all trust. I would not be surprised if I learn in 5 years time that Lucky Lunk is an ace in the hole for NATA and the US. That could be where all the high-value intel is coming from. If Lukashenka was a true Putin bot he would be helping Russia a lot more than this. Belarus and Kazakhstan might be looking at Russia post-Putin and planning for that evidentially. hopefully, by saying this I don't scupper anyone's plans!

    Dan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Yes there is absolutely zero safety in this country if a Putin henchman wanted to take you out or put poison in your tea. Look at the oligarch who had his family hacked to death in Spain recently.

    It may be a remote risk but just cause your paranoid doesn’t mean they are not after you. Such fear is the life blood of Russia right now.

    On the other hand there is very little risk of serious consequences ( bar a few fu*ks thrown at you) if you wave a Russian flag or paint a Z on your car. Because we live in a comparatively civilised free society, where law abiding citizens are respected and have guaranteed rights.

    Such reality speaks volumes of Russia right now but we still have as*holes coming on here trying the both sides and moral equivalence bullsh*t.

    Russians are staying quiet because they are genuinely scared of their psychopathic despotic regime and it’s menacing reach to all corners of the globe and the fact they can hack you to pieces or disappear you with impunity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭zv2


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Would not surprise me that's it's in fact Russians setting this stuff alight. If they have no ammo they cant be sent off to war.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,429 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    And they're too afraid in Ireland.

    I don't buy this afraid nonsense in Ireland. It's support by staying quiet. The very same as the Zed brigade.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Well if you still had relations living in Russia, and planned to go back there yourself, you better be very careful what you say publicly, especially on the internet. Syrian's face the same situation.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Likely very true, but why does our peacenik friend not come out and say so?

    The truth is because he wants an end to the war on Russian maximalist terms. It drips from his posts just as they drip of odious lies and conspiracy theory.



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