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PV Feed In Tariff

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Electric Ireland responded to my query about my NC6, told me to ring networks.

    They told me they haven't received one, so I'll have to chase my installer now to get it done. Pain in the ass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,741 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    But the kWh tariffs are the business of the utility companies only. ESBN have no say over this at all. The mystery continuous...



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    So this document From ESB Networks show what they charge the utilities (on top of the base wholesale? kWh rate)

    https://www.esbnetworks.ie/docs/default-source/publications/esb-networks-dac-statement-of-charges.pdf Page 15.

    The previous statement of charges (you'll have to take my word for this though had the TOU meter (smart meter) exactly the same as the 24hr.

    Screenie for reference:

    So.. Actually, Now theres nothing stopping the utilities from offering a day night tariff on a smart meter, They just dont. Remember these rates are on top of wholesale or whatever kwh rates they get the electric at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Some suggesting on Facebook they spoke to energia and their rate is going to be 7c from August for fit.

    Any word from bord gais on their rate by anyone? I left them start of June but in that time left them with just over 1000kwh since mid February when the law came in regarding fit. I will be following up with them for payment for all exported up to the date I left



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,460 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    SSE are even more confusing now on twitter. I think they're saying that if I'm eligible for a smart meter (not sure what the definition is) then I need to request one now or I won't get any deemed payment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,460 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG



    So first they said anyone without a smart meter would get the deemed export payment, then they said it was up to ESB to provide the deemed export, now the only people who are eligible for the deemed export (which apparently is back to them now, not ESB) are those who are "ineligible for a smart meter".



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    Feed in Racket!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    I’d say the only reason to be ineligible for a smart meter right now is if you are on a d/n tariff which would mean you’d get the deemed export (their 3/6 post)

    It will all be short lived anyway, we are all to have them by 2025 which isn’t really that far away… you won’t get fat on the FiT in the meantime! 🤑



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Seeing as you have some sort of response from them (and a customer)

    The question is :

    Does being on a traditional, Day night tariff make you currently ineligible for a smart meter. As you cannot take your current tariff to the smart meter like you can with a 24hr tariff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,460 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Well that's the latest thing I've asked, what exactly defines an ineligible customer for a smart meter.


    And if my current tariff expires, and I sign up to a new day/night one, does that mean I've had the chance to go smart and decided not to, hence I'm off the scheme?


    Such an absolute mess.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    I stumbled across this document earlier (RMDS is a division of ESBN) which discusses the migration of MCC02 (D/N) meters to Smart meters.

    https://rmdservice.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/DR1215-MCC02-Smart-Exchanges.pdf

    Essentially suppliers are being asked to bend over backwards to migrate D/N MPRNs over to smart meters via either for a like for like tariff exchange or for a tariff change agreed with the customer.

    This seems like the best of both worlds, smart meter + metered FIT payments + retain D/N tariff.


    P.S. Lots of interesting reading on that RMDS website too, including mentions of future plans for Smart Meter HANs (in-home displays etc).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭con747


    What about people who have zero mobile network signal though? Where I live I can't get a signal from any provider unless I get on my roof! From what I see it's the 2g band being used so even that is impossible to get where I live. I expect some interesting times ahead with my provider but at least I have the old reversing meter so I will wait for a court order to replace that if need be.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I think I saw that there's an add-on antenna they can use to boost the signal


    I suspect that what will happen for you is that you'll end up getting a smart meter and because it always misses updates you'll get an estimated reading


    Which raises an interesting question, do the smart meters have any other connectivity method, like wi-fi or ZigBee radio? Is there a way for customers to get usage data directly from the meter... 🤔

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Well the day night tariff never actually expires, just the discount goes.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    I think they can be read manually too but not with the same resolution.

    There's peak, off peak, night, and export sections. (Also kvar too, but as domestic we don't have to worry about real and apparent power)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭yankinlk


    Can we gather up the known FIT rates and update the main FAQ page? Would like to see the published info somewhere online at least. Reward the early adopters like



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    So far ... Sse 14, pinenergy 13.5.

    But I'd agree a list in the faq would be useful



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭irishchris


    When I signed up to the first smart plan they put me on a basic plan for the first 30 days as it takes that for the initialisation of the smart meter. They told me if didn't have a specific signal level there would be no online access to usage and could not go on specific plans like cheap EV plan but just their basic smart plan (most expensive)



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    Their unit rates should probably be listed beside them to see who is trying to rip you off the most!

    Pinergy's unit price is very high AFAIK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Yep pinergy day units are extremely high on smart plans - 36c but their ev rate from 2-5 am is great at 5c. Not suitable for majority unless good battery storage and good PV output



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Wow, that is just dumb. Especially since the meter has a built in radio which can be used for communication


    I think this is the correct model, check out the datasheet page 10


    https://www.kamstrup.com/en-en/electricity-solutions/meters-devices/meters/omnipower-singlephase-meter/documents

    Doesn't say what type but I think a similar model has a ZigBee radio built in

    There's even a customer unit which can be installed to communicate with home energy monitors


    Top notch work ESBN, you've earned your paycheck this time 🙄

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,741 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!



    In those 3 hours you could get 9kWh into your powerwall with a ME3000SP (15kWh with a 5kW hybrid) and 20kWh into your car every day. If you do have fairly big PV and powerwall and not huge electricity consumption outside of these hours, that could be an option with the 13-14c FIT as long as that means your peak unit use is still minimal



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    He's got the 6kw hybrid, 100 amp charging. So 15kwh possible into the battery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Yep as Graeme said have 100amp charging or I wouldn't have took chance on this plan. That together with the couple KW a day in worst months of winter should see me through as our winter usage is roughly 12kw average a day. Compared to the 509 euro rural standing charge I was on with bord gais these are also just under 300 euro cheaper a year on their standing charge so could afford some small usage in winter and still be up compared to that but don't intend to use any day time units with them.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,308 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    That standing charge is brutal with Bord gas.

    I need to start looking for who to switch to.

    Will need to take into account energias >2000kwh charge for night rate too, I'll be over that for sure this winter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Savetheplanet


    I'm with Bord Gais and my rural standing charge went from 69.03 c/day to 88.7 c/day in April and with the 9% vat on that it comes to €352.89 a year or am I missing something? My maths are not the best though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭irishchris


    We are referring to the smart plan with bord gais standing charge though and it is probably the most expensive standing charge around. 20€ cheaper than I remember though but an absolute scandal that they can charge just short of 500 euro for just being with them before paying for any electricity.




  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Savetheplanet


    I thought my maths were acting up! Might be best to state what plans people mean when quoting prices? Totally agree with the standing charge increase being a complete rip off, but what's new in Ireland.



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    Standing charges should be fixed across the board. It's a very sneaky charge.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,741 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Standing charges should be zero. Period. Polluter should pay, the standard charges should be abolished and the unit rates should go up to cover these.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    100% - pay for what you use not for the bonuses of the morons at the elec companies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Counter argument, standing charges should be the grid charges only and set by the regulator, and therefore the same for every energy company

    I agree that some companies are using a high standing charge to make their unit rates appear artificially low and this should be gotten rid of


    But it does cost money to maintain the grid, and personally I'd prefer it was well maintained and not to the standard of Texas or California

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,741 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I've been saying the same thing about motor tax for many years (since well before there were any electric cars around). It should be abolished and the tax should be on the fuel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Ha, true but governments never miss an opportunity to put a tax on something

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,741 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Yes but the most important law of taxation is that collection must be easy. Far easier to collect tax on fuel than motor tax. Far easier to up the income tax than to collect individual TV license fees (a joke in this country). Far easier to tax excise duty of alcohol at wholesale level than to ask individuals to put aside €1 for every pint they drink and expect them to pay it in their yearly tax return 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭steamdave


    Can't make it too easy in case you put a few civil servants out of a job.

    Dave



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭curioustony


    put aside €1 for every pint they drink and expect them to pay it in their yearly tax return 😂

    I can see that conversation at 2a.m. how many did I have? Was it you that bought the third round or me? Never mind on January with the tax return: you spent what on pints?

    🌞4.55 kWp, azimuth 136°, slope 24°, 5kW, 🛢️10.9kWh, Roscommon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭MakersMark




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,570 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Yeah, those standing charges and how they relate to the PV feed-in-tariff begs belief. The levels of obfuscation that goes on with the suppliers pricing plans. Geez. While I've been lazy and not switched providers, I doff my cap to bonkers.ie for doing the leg work.

    I can however get in behind a reasonable standing charge for a service. Myabe what.... €100 or so for the year, and it should be the same across all providers. My thinking is that well if I use no electricity, well they still have to have accountants, and service techs, indirectly pay for step-down transformers (even if I don't use it), but yeah.... €500 knicker for something which I may not even user a single 1Kwhr. Cowboys Ted ! :-)

    Jonathan - good find on that RMDS discussion. Very interesting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 240 ✭✭curioustony


    From RTE news. No FIT from EI, but a piece rise !!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0701/1307953-electric-ireland/

    Electric Ireland has announced it will increase residential gas bills by 29.2% and residential electricity bills by 10.9% from next month

    🌞4.55 kWp, azimuth 136°, slope 24°, 5kW, 🛢️10.9kWh, Roscommon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Well 🤬 the rest of them will follow suit I bet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    They still haven't responded to me with a rate for FIT. I get more annoyed every time I hear a green politician say the feed in tariff is here, now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭con747


    Anyone know who George Lee is on about on the news this evening saying 3 companies have announced the rate of between 13.5c and 17.5c? I know two who have announced the 13.5c and 14c but the 17.5c is new to me and can' find anything more about who it is.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 800 ✭✭✭niallers1


    Electric Ireland replied to me today to say they don't have any feed in tariff or don't know when they will. FFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,939 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    To be fair they're probably telling the truth, I get the impression that forward thinking is strongly discouraged at many energy companies

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭con747


    Possibly, but you would imagine RTE would be announcing up to date news on the FIT. I was hoping one of the bigger suppliers eventually showed their cards. It's a joke at this stage all the green trumpet blowing about it being paid from the 1st of July and here we are still in the dark and not knowing the red tape each company will put in place. 🙄

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    At least they replied. I just get an automated email saying they are very busy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,465 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    If government was really interested in solar generation, they would be giving generous tax breaks on the cost of the install.

    Grants never seem to work in Ireland as prices just inflate to match the grant.

    For them to talk of taxing exported power from the ordinary homeowner is absolute lunacy.

    I could see exported power being taxable if your power bills were negative over the year but trying to tax a part of a domestic contract where the other side of the same contract is not tax deductable is nuts imo.



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