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Left leaning belief systems are daft, just like right wing ones, hilariously criticism of either results in being labeled as part of the opposite camp to what you're being critical of.

You think it's daft to say that when a group of people says something isn't important one minute and that is suddenly is important the next that there isn't any grounds for citing their inconsistency?

Prior to the weakening of covid through Omicron vaccine mandates were very much on the table and it wasn't a small number of the left wing calling for it as being pro vax was something that became central to left wing ideology during covid and the opposite was true for the right. These became entrenched in the ideology of the left and right therefore it isn't unreasonable to recall the left being in favor of vaccine mandates.

There is a clear inconsistency in relation to bodily autonomy within left wing thinking, having a handful of posters here saying that isn't the case doesn't change that fact.

You made that snowflake comment in response to me, how else should I have appropriated it?

Again, jail terms for vaccine refusal were never on the table, another completely made up notion.

The nature of a discussion forum is that people can comment on things you say. You don't get to shut people up just because what they're saying doesn't suit you.

The point remains that left wing attitudes to bodily autonomy are inconsistent. You don't like that being highlighted, fine but I still have a right to call it out.

I'll assume you're addressing me here.

No, is the answer to that, left wing groups in capitalist states have traditionally strived for a better deal for the working person and to take greedy individuals or corporations to task which is not the case today.

I would have in the past identified as left wing on those grounds but increasingly left wing has become an umbrella term for something very different.

I think some of these changes may have something to do with the rise of tech companies who have a lot of left wing aligned views which they tend to promote, which in itself is fine but they also act with the type of impunity that greedy corporations of the past also acted with which is excused by the modern left which is another logical and or moral inconsistency of the modern left.

The lines between left and right aren't as defined as they were previously, the left now have their own multi billion dollar corporations that notionally support similar causes as the left so those corporations own behavior is never called into question as they are seen as allies.

Also pretty much every major business entity in the world has learned that "virtue signalling" helps their interests, ironically enough, as has been highlighted recently a lot of these companies will endorse Pride month in their western territories but would never dream of doing so in the middle east, yet another inconsistency.

And that's the problem with the modern left, it's like a Frankenstein's monster of bit and bobs of different beliefs with blind eyes turned to inconvenient issues so now much like the right anny sane person shouldn't trust anything comes out of their mouths.

When you reply to me individually what you say to me can reasonably be appropriated as a commentary on me.

I never stated anything was imagined by me. I stayed that the left have a inconsistent set of opinions on bodily autonomy citing evidence, you are stating that because vaccine mandates weren't enacted that people on the left supporting them as a concept should be immune from criticism for supporting the concept which is comical.

Just because you and three other posters with similarly aligned beliefs are telling me that I'm a naughty boy for highlighting facts that are inconvenient to left wing types I'm not going to tuck tail and run away. Would you do the same in the face of similarly preposterous counter-arguments from people you disagree with?

You keep banging on about feelings and how I'm not basing my argument in facts. That is a dishonest take to say the least, you just don't agree with or like what I'm saying, well boo hoo for your feelings.

You're confusing two things here. We didn't vote on any law, we voted on a constitutional change that allowed for legislation. That legislation came from the entire Dail. To do away with it would require a Dail majority to amend or replace it. Given the nature of it there is absolutely no circumstance now or in any foreseeable future where over 50% of the Dail would feel a need to vote it down. It is far more likely that science and medicine will come to address that question more completely over time.

Nah I'm refering to how the vaccine = pregnancy theory has evolved into an even crazier stand point.

Saying something is a fact does not make it a fact.

Your feelings about or what Tucker & co fearmongered what left might have thought about doing but never actually came anywhere close to doing is not a fact.

Your opinion and comments are based on your feelings not on any facts - to claim otherwise is utter delusion.

Brains to burn these "christians".

You're intentionally misinterpreting what I'm saying in the hope of landing some sort of "gotcha", or hoping I'll give up and leave the discussion so you can see it as some sort of victory.

I'm only replying because the type of behaviour you're engaging in here is dishonest in the extreme and needs to be called out for what it is.

If you're sick of this discussion you can end it any time, but if you continue to misrepresent me I will continue to defend myself. The ball is in your court.

There is no 'gothca', that happened long ago when you openly and repeatedly admitted that you're just making things up based on what you felt might have happened but didn't actually. I've quoted you repeatedly.

This is like trying to have a discussion with someone who is adamant it is a fact that their imaginary friend is real and therefore can be used in a comparison so I am very much happy to leave it here.

What didn't happen?

Are you suggesting lefties didn't support the notion of vaccine mandates?

We know that vaccine mandates didn't happen, we also know who was supporting the idea of vaccine mandates and who would have backed them being introduced. This happened, it isn't made up so stop lying about it.

We also know that vaccine mandates did not make provisions for putting people in prison, which is something you stated on this thread repeatedly and is a complete and utter fallacy of that you have pushed for who knows what reason.

Here's a link to a study on the subject https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886922001659

Here's the abstract in it's entirety;

"Abstract

Mandatory and punitive vaccination policies, such as requiring vaccination certificates for public activities and firing employees who refuse vaccination, have raised considerable objections. With a sample of U.S. crowdsourced workers (N = 983), this study investigates how four ideologies–left-wing authoritarianism (LWA), right-wing authoritarianism (RWA), social dominance orientation (SDO), and libertarianism–explain vaccine acceptance and attitudes toward vaccine policies. Results show that LWA predicts higher vaccine acceptance and support for COVID-19 vaccine mandates and the punishment of unvaccinated individuals, whereas libertarianism and RWA show negative relationships. SDO is linked to opposition to vaccine mandates. This study underscores the role of specific ideological components in shaping attitudes toward vaccine policies while also contributing to the arguments that LWA and libertarianism have important implications for studying sociopolitical attitudes."

According to you I dreamt all of this up and I'm demanding you believe in my imaginary friend.

Unsurprisingly you stoop to slurs, ad hominem is your level of debate.

Your refusal to accept reality in service of your favored sociopolitical ideology is truly staggering.

They're monsters. And 100% guaranteed they're staunch defenders of gun rights.

Spot the contradictory positions....

"You can't have an abortion because anything that takes away the life of an innocent is wrong even if means a 12 year old rape victim has to carry the rapists baby to term, is morally wrong and cannot be tolerated."

"You can't ban guns because people need to have freedom even if that sometimes costs innocent lives"

"You can't ban guns because I have the right to defend my property, taking my gun means someone can steal from me and I can't protect myself. The risk of innocents dying from accidental or deliberate discharge is a price worth paying so I can defend myself."

"Women and children do not have the right to bodily autonomy and cannot get an abortion even if there is a significant risk to their health and wellbeing because the unborn's rights are more valuable than theirs"

"Women who get pregnant should be responsible for the life they bring into the world, if they don't want to get pregnant, they shouldn't have sex"

"I should not be expected to take even the simplest precautions to ensure my weapon is locked away safely when not in use if an accident happens, sh1t happens"

Owning the libs justifies anything.... what a terrible way for us to descend into a new dark age

Context... cartman gets taken in by an obvious scammer who sold him pubes for cash. Instead of realising he was an idiot, Cartman has Scott's parents killed and made into chilli and feeds Scott's parents to him while humiliating him in front of his idols...

Doing this in real life would result in Cartman spending the rest of his life in a mental institution, probably in solitary confinement, but instead he's a hero to the lunatics who are prepared to burn the world to pieces as revenge for being caught in a lie

In the last 10 years we have moved away from the union of church state, eg we have divorce, gay marriage, lgbt rights, meanwhile the USA is going backwards, religious groups can set up schools and demand the state will pay for it at least the same amount as would go to the local public school, the whole idea of separation of church state is under attack by the supreme Court. Ireland is now a modern diverse country with

Laws against discrimination. There's a long discussion on YouTube, this week in google, as to how company's Google or any other company's can help employees to have privacy and be helped to travel to get medical procedures in other states

If police go after social media records company hr data isp telecom phone data is there any way for women employees to have privacy if they wish to travel to another state for medical reasons

As we saw in the past it can be a problem if most of the local schools or hospitals are owned by the church those schools will be run in the ethos of the church most people can't go to expensive private schools that are miles way

I'm reminded of a quote from Mr. Wolfe in Pulp Fiction...

94% of Irish taxpayer-funded primary schools are controlled by churches. In these schools, religious discrimination is legal and is a daily fact of life for both teachers and pupils. Kowtow to the church or suffer the consequences.

RCC in particular knows that it has zero relevance in Irish society if the schools go, so they are talking nonsense about inclusion and diversity while holding on with a death grip to the schools. In fact they recently lobbied the government here to be allowed, in return for divesting control of a few failing schools, to make the rest "more Catholic" and be allowed to again exclude non-catholics from schools funded by taxes.

You wouldn't get this sort of nonsense in the worst parts of the US, or in any other first world country.

"I will be putting forth a nominee next week. It will be a woman." - DJT, Fayetteville, North Carolina, September 2022

Wtf is this juvenile crap?

Do you think American church schools have special magical powers Irish ones don't?

56% of catholics in the US are pro-choice.