Shimano 105 Di2

105 bikes took a fairly large jump up in price the last few years with R7000, any bike with this on it is going to be minimum 3k at this rate. Insane stuff.

Disc only as well, they’re really trying to kill off any remnants of mid level rim brake bikes, there’s very few new 105 R7000 rim bikes compared to disc as it is

It’s only Di2 according to road.cc, they’re not releasing an r7100 mechanical group set apparently. They did the same with ultegra I think, only Di2 and 12 speed

Really not loving how inevitable it is that rim brake groups are going, soon too. Good to have option in terms on rim/disc, mech/elec

prices are ridiculous too

The current R7000 will be the last rim brake variant it looks like, 550 for the rim brake full group set I think.

If I was a betting man I’d say Tiagra will go 11 speed with the next update

I don't really keep up with groupset updates, so how soon do you all reckon that new bikes with 105 will only be Di2?

Ultegra is coming in around 2800 so 1800 would sound about right, still bloody expensive for an 'accessible' groupset.

Tiagra has improved a lot in the past few iterations so I imagine that'll be the benchmark group for bikes under 2g with a carbon frame.

Almost €2,000 for 105 so probably €3,000 for an alloy frame and 105 Di2 😂😂😂😂

Gone are the days when you could get a good light bike with a carbon frame and 105 for under €2k.

Would hold on unless you’re willing to wait and see if they’re going to release 11 speed Tiagra down the line.

It’ll be interesting to see how the market holds up post-pandemic. Like stock levels over the past two years have been abysmal and Tiagra equipped bikes for 1500 eur and 105 bikes for 2k have become common place, but if the demand slows down, your standard ‘midrange’ road bike (AL frame with 105) being closer to 3k, it’s massive money for smaller shops to be holding in inventory

I might add, the 105 groupset I bought in November 2019 I think! 457 euro (rim brake version).😲

Do you really need electronic shifting compared to mechanical? What are the advantages?

I have a 2015 105 rim groupset on my bike and it runs like a dream.

How do you find the Sensah groupset? I was intrigued by it. Tempted to use it to replace my Sora.

Never heard of Sensah. Thanks. I'm now going to spend most of my working morning hovering over the add to basket button.

Sensha/microshift or something similar was the reason Shimano/Sram etc have to keep moving; and by that I mean convincing cycling consumers that they need the newest latest and greatest version of gear shifting. Corporations don't survive if they sit still.

Since 7400 was launched the refinement and improvements possible in a simple ratchet and pinion system accurately and repeatably adjusting a derailleur via a cable only had so much road. Once they hid cables they knew smooth shifting had already peaked for cable shifters.

To convince people they need the newest dura ace they came up with di2/wireless etc; to survive they need to keep doing that.

I'd be surprised if and when Tiagra goes 11 speed that it doesn't have a different pull ratio to 5800/6800/R7000 etc, that's what happened when they introduced 4700.

For the home mechanic or someone who tours or rides audax the reparability and predictability of mechanical systems has to be a high priority. I've had cables snap on very long events, but with experience you recognise the warning signs and can act before failure.

I don't care how reliable di2 can be; when it fails I'm going to be incapable of fixing it on the side of road or at home.

Firmware update or having to charge battery to rid my bike fu(k off

There’s a few bikes spec’d with it here

Cheapest one is the ribble endurance 725 which is a steel bike at £2499, an extra £1000 over the mechanical r7000 spec. Any of the standard AL frames and that are £3k plus for the lowest options

How does SRAM eTap compare? I see Canyon have an Endurace CF with Rival eTap for €3,000 whereas the CF SL Ultegra Di2 one is €4,150. Only difference is a around 400g less weight, the fancier seat post and carbon bars.

Didn't have any issues when using SRAM Apex on my last road bike.

So if an alu 105 bike is 3.5k, it’s no longer the entry level for most I guess. That pushes 105 into the ‘upgrade’ bracket after a few years of getting into the sport.

It gets a bit confusing then what the point of Ultegra is.

Will Sora become 10 speed at some stage? and Claris 9 speed?

I defo think there is a place in the market for a decent cable and mechanical based group-set. It will add around 700€ to a standard bike of that ilk

I does what it says on the tin, shifting is single paddle, 1/3 click up, 2/3 click down Full Click 2 down. Once I got used to that was happy. As per one of the videos above, the brake calipers do seem a little less solid than Shimano, but I have had no issues with them.