Wimbledon 2022

Ye I'll accept that. Watching him the last few years, I thought he had a huge game, but it's actually worse he's getting. Very poor the last while really, where I assumed he'd be pushing on.

Going to bring that up everytime? This from the Federer fanboy, turned Djokovic fanboy?

Also never claimed anywhere Mathieu was much good, just always liked his aesthetics after seeing him lose to Federer in an early round of Wimbledon years back. Thought he had bags of natural talent, but ever only in patches, but for whatever reason hit a wall in terms of developing and pushing on. Very mercurial player, just was always interested watching him play. Wasn't saying it to be a "hipster", but believe what you want

No genuinely followed Mathieu's career. Was a more promising French youth than Gasquet, still don't know where it went wrong for PHM. Always liked watching him play though, bursts of genius.

Ye he came about as you tried ridiculing me over Hewitt, which was strange, seeing as he's a great great player. Battered Sampras many times, who was one of the greatest ever, which people like to forget, several years before he retired. And battered Federer plenty of times too

You may consider it alternative, but it was the reality. "Hewitt dominated a transition era", biggest myth, he wiped the floor with Sampras' generation, to the point people say Sampras was just too old. Hewitt was hammering him 3 years earlier to his retirement. If it was boxing, we'd be saying he cleared the division

He was suspect mentally. When it was put up to him, the unforced errors came. He dominated for a period where Hewitt was done with injuries, and before Nadal arrived. When they put it up to him either side of that era, he was suspect, and always was since 08.

Hewitt broke him mentally in Davis cup in 5 sets after he won Wimbledon, this after Hewitt was wrote off with injury. Grinded him, Federer broke mentally. Hewitt was done by this point. First time the world seen him wilt on the big stage, as he had arrived by this point

He is playing really well isn't he! Should really have broke in this second set, De Minaur is very solid as well to be fair.

This is a really terrific match! Second set tiebreak. Draper edging it but didn't take those break points...could be made to pay..

Draper looks a bit shell shocked! Broken in first game of the third set...yikes

He does a bit....but has got one of the breaks back.

It was gonna be hard to keep up his levels from the first two sets...

"Murray's game evolved to the point it was complete, with few weaknesses, the rest of the big 3 were stumped. Murray became the best, make no mistake about it. Murray was set to take over just as injuries hit, he had the most complete game, it should of been his time"

Surely you're taking the p*ss! Physical fitness trumps all - what's the point of having the 'most complete game' even if that were the case, if you then crumble and fall apart physically as a result of your efforts.

Federer at least had great economy of movement, he played and moved quickly but often due to his innate skills, it looked effortless. But time catches up on all, which is why Nadal's continuing career is a mystery, is it not? A crock if we are to believe all we read, but who plays at a top level.

So freak injuries are an indication of a players quality? It's not as if we're talking about potential here, he literally bested the big 3. Beat them, dominated the calender, went number 1. He toppled them, like it or not.

Djokovic as it happened beat him in one major and a few minor tournaments as it happened, over this period. But let's not rewrite history to suit a narrative. In all of Djokovics'victories he was hanging on, playing containment tennis. Experience seen him home on a few occasions, when it didn't Murray battered him. Their hth from late 2012 to late 2013 was close, but Djokovic for the most part was on the backfoot, at best just about containing Murray, in his loses getting battered, completely outplayed, straight setted on a few occasions

Djokovic himself knows he met his match. He knows his career could of been very different. The British media tend to hype their players but Murray was the real deal. He bested the big 3, that can never be taken away from him.

As much as it kills people, between 2012-13, Murray went number one and surpassed the big 3. Injuries beat him, not the big 3. He became number one!

Murray did reach a zenith but blew up as a result, as far as we can know, of wear & tear injuries. Not freak injuries - wear & tear from his playing style and likely over training. So it was unsustainable.

Heather Watson through to the 4th round.

Jabeur breezed through in the end...Sakkari has lost first set!

Tommy Paul (Who has definitely underachieved in the past given his talent imo) currently hammering Vesely and Djokovic doing the same to Kecmanovic.

Sakkari out.

Norrie takes the first set.

In fairness he has been the slightly better player missed quite a few break points. Solid.

Johnson good serve but not shown a huge amount else so far.

Saw clips of the Alcaraz match...fecking hell...he is definitely adapting to the grass!

Norrie looks to be coasting through...Johnson has been poor.