Science Supports Trans People - Here is why

It couldn't be simpler. Sure even children understand it.

Every single other homosexual I know is either gender critical or keeps their opinion to themselves because they know what the reaction will be.

I think you overstate this "community" aspect of the LGBT "community". It is riven with irreversible division over this question.

I think it's this insidious/disgusting idea that is being pushed that homosexuals are Trans.. that if they had been exposed to Trans ideas when teenagers then, they would have chosen to become Trans as opposed to being homosexual.

It's one of the things I've grown to despise about Trans advocates because in pushing such an idea, they're copying the older culture of conversion for homosexuals. While I was very confused/frustrated about both sex and gender, along with my own identity as a teen/YA, I never felt myself to be anything like Trans is today. I have feminine behaviours, but I love being a man... and yet, I suspect if I had to go through my teens again, I'd be repeatedly encouraged to see myself as being Trans rather than a man attracted sexually to both sexes.

I think the LGBQ community is reaching a breaking point about the T in their midst. Considering just how few Trans people we encounter (I'm not including non-binary) while being part of the LGBTQ community... the T have assumed far too much representation of the whole group, and I would say people are getting a mite tired of the association. Not so much with the average Trans person.. but with the Trans activists/advocates/spokespersons we see online or in the media.

Huh? What ironic humour? I don't see anything even remotely humorous in my posts. Although without quoting posters, it's hard to know who you're referring to.

But I'm not terribly surprised that your response to posters doesn't deal with what they've written.

So, you are conflating sex, gender, and then, sexuality on top of those two. Glad to clear that one up.

As for being prescriptive, I'm relying on science... per the thread topic. There are two sexes, verifiable by science, and there is currently no way to change them to the point where a man can become a woman, the same way as a woman born to that sex. I don't favour your position of releasing all boundaries, and ensuring that definitions of sex have no meaning.

Stop mixing up sex and gender. They're different things. And your attempts to connect sexuality to them is ridiculous and honestly quite insulting. It's obvious that you have no conception of what's involved in being homosexual or bisexual.

I've no idea why you're attempting to bring sexuality into this topic at all. Many Trans retain their original sexuality even after they transition.. some change, many don't. Being Trans is about identity in regards to sex (transition) and gender (both transitioning and non-binary).. sexuality isn't any kind of core part of the Trans topic. My guess is that you're trying to reinforce the link between Trans and LGB as for LGB the primary focus is sexuality, with identity being secondary. Again, piggybacking off the LGB community for validation of Trans issues.

Good lord. I give up. Utterly impossible to have a conversation with you.

TBH I don't really see any liberal sides to the debate. The supposed left/liberal are easily as intolerant as any of those firmly of the right. As for right leaning folk.. I don't get that, simply because I feel that few people are clear in their own minds enough to be firmly fixed in their positions. Instead, most people lean different directions depending on the particular aspect of the discussion. The trans topic is so broad, that I find most people are pro-certain aspects, neutral on others, and against a few.. I've encountered very few people who would be entirely pro/against the overall trans topic, and honestly, I would trust anyone that was.

This topic is not like homosexuality. Sexuality is simple and direct. There's no confusion as to what it entails... none. Whereas the trans topic shifts depending on who is advocating it, it represents multiple different movements (transitions, non-binary, etc) while supposedly representing them all, etc. It's a vague confused mess of ideas and conflicting opinions.

Whereas I see conservative people being fully capable of being and appreciating compassion/empathy... Such expressions were part of traditional societies, just as much as any modern society. If anything, there was probably more appreciation for it, because of the emphasis on community, and helping those around them, which is very much part of the conservative perspective.

The problem is rapid social change without due diligence being done to determine the long-term effects of those changes on society. That's the issue for most conservatives, and why they're resistant to change. The trans topic in the west is relatively new. There's extremely little research on it, with what's available relating to small samples, and little effort to track the long-term effects on both the individual and to society. Which is why I would agree with the conservatives on this topic.

It's not about empathy and compassion. It's about responsibility, and not setting up teens/children for an ultimate fall later in life. I've seen nothing from conservatives outside of the US, seeking to prevent adults from doing what they want. The limitation is when the desires of the Trans intersects with the interests of the majority...

I would say that society has made remarkable progress in doing just that... as homosexuality has mostly been accepted in society, within a relatively short period of time. No, seriously. How far are people expected to step beyond the traditional boundaries? Because honestly, it sounds like with the Trans debate, the desire is for the boundaries/definitions regarding gender to be removed entirely. In any case, though, we live in a society that is extremely supportive of aspects relating to gender and identity. As a lecturer (and mentor at university level), I've been to dozens of workshops/conferences, relating to how we should support students in such situations... the interest is already around to support/sympathise with those involved.. TBH I would say there's not enough interest in limiting it, and far too much interest in embracing it.

The problem is that there's little expectation within the Trans community or their advocates to reciprocate.. Everything is expected to go one way.. towards supporting and enabling the interests of the Trans community. So.. no.. I don't see much balance in the overall situation, because there is no desire to meet half-way, or to allow society the time needed to adjust to change. Everything needs to be now.

It's an extremely bitchy topic. Seriously.. and it's come from all sides.

Dunno why you have such a focus on two sides. ie. liberal vs conservatives. It's not that simple.

That's fair. TBH I think the biggest problem is the advocates of the Trans who are not Trans themselves, because they assume a position they know nothing about, but react aggressively to anyone who disagrees with them. This thread is full of examples of both the aggression, and the dismiss/deflect/discredit attitude from such advocates...

If the advocates could step back, shut up, and allow the Trans to segment their movement into three/four distinct and separate movements, I think we'd see far more progress (along with the sympathy you mentioned) for some, although I do think for non-binary, any kind of support will be a long-time coming. It's all still too vague and conflicts with itself.

Genetics cannot prove the existence of a trans- person, in the same way that genetics cannot prove the existence of a gay person.

All genetics, like that, tends to be retrospective i.e. they already have trans- people or gay people and then analyse the brain with this knowledge to hand.

But if it were scientific, you'd be able to make predictions based upon it - and know in advance if someone is going to be trans- or gay. But you can't.

The one thing we are certain of predicting, however, is the person's biological sex.

Once people resort to the intricacies of genetics coupled to "electrical activity in the brain", it generally means a very weak argument is about to be made.

You cannot predict the existence of subjective gender because it is, by definition, a social construction.